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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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the food variety might be a felony the

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Army Air Force has announced that a

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flying death has been found and is now

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in the possession of the army the babies

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would change the game game changer I

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occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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this is fade to black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network and K GRA

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your help to get to the year nineteen

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you're listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge on the game-changing network

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the spoke radio for the bat says a shite

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high in doing hey done today's Monday

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September 20 30 2019 267 days into the

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new year just 98 days left

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown Burbank

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California and I would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the United States hither and

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thither to and fro back and forth up and

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down east and west north and south far

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer network in kg ra the planet

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I am your host Jimmy Church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing it's

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tonight very special guests Whitley

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Strieber is here will be night tonight

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are gonna have a very open conversation

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about et you opposed what's going on

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today yeah

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I'm gonna spin it around a little bit I

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want Whitley's opinion on everything of

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course the author of the communion

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series of books and many novels ranging

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from the Wolfman to the hunger to the

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greys and his exciting Alien Hunter

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series communion the wolf and the hunger

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and superstorm have all been made into

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movies super storm as the day after

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week tonight we're gonna have a very

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open conversation on the current state

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of UFOs did he contact our government

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community and dive deep in with someone

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who has been researching the subject for

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the last four decades and I would like

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to welcome back to fade to black our

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good friend Whitley Strieber Whitley

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good evening how are you man Oh Whitley

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dropped right as I said Whitley oh let

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me pull him back up here was bizarre

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whit Whitley Whitley good evening good

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evening oh that was that was bizarre you

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dropped as I said good evening yeah it

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was very strange yeah I was here and

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you're anymore you know you know what's

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funny Whitley let's let's start off here

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crazy to think about God but at any

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point I I don't freak out anymore when

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the game isn't it do things affect you

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had someone else on the line oh yeah it

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guy named Alan Steinfeld mmm-hmm

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interesting guy mm-hmm and a lot of

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into the line and stuff and that's just

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all the time it is used to it my

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listeners are too yeah yeah it is when I

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used to I did sports casting before fade

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now and say that the three years that I

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did sports casting not one single

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technical hiccup not a one start doing

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this stuff at the beginning I would get

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just laugh water off a duck's back I

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me at 7:28 I'm sitting here I answer the

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phone and you're gone perfect right

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let's let's go in this direction too I

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kick things off with with the mass media

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jumping on board where we are today

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did you did you anticipate

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a day an era where the UFOs would be

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okay to talk about in public both with

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the mass media and with people on the

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street did you think that this day would

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arrive like it has oh yeah I I've known

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it for a long time because I have the

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visitors in my life and you know they

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what's happening and they're never wrong

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and years ago they said that this would

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become come into focus as the planet

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environment fell apart around our ears

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it's coming into focus as far as I'm

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concerned now I I read the news

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Whitley I don't watch it okay there's a

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distinct difference there i reaiiy don't

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wanna do the same thing I agree yeah it

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and and when did you start to make that

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shift oh listen the first I made the

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shift before even you the visitors were

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in my life and maybe maybe they were

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there and I didn't know it or maybe they

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came into my life because of it I'm not

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sure but back when I wrote nature's end

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it was published in 85 mm-hmm

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you know there's a huge chapter in there

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about a gigantic forest fire in the

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Amazon and the sink the book is set in

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2025 so you know I'm five years early I

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mean this is five years early great and

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if there's a book full of all kinds of

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stuff like that there's it's even gets

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the book called the hunyadi

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and a few years later the Hyundai shows

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up and you know it's kind of weird and

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but I can assure you though

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you don't want to be a prophet it's very

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very very bad for your pocketbook well

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you did it and I watched superstorm

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I'm sorry super sedan tomorrow

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I watched it last week and I watched it

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from beginning to end I've seen it many

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times so many of us have but I started

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to just think to myself how far ahead of

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the curve you were and and this movie

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compared to where we are today again a

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pretty accurate vision of the future

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where did that come from

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well I don't know art and I well I do

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know actually I can explain that art and

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I published superstorm the book that

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After Tomorrow is based on you wouldn't

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know it because the Hollywood being

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Hollywood they very trickly managed to

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put our credit at the end of the movie

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rather than at the beginning so you know

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there was not much didn't juice the book

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very much but in any case we wrote

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published in 99 now the reason that

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happened was that I had an experience in

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98 with this man I call the master of

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the key mm-hmm who said a lot of

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extraordinary things there's a little

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book out people probably know about it

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called the key which if you read it it's

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like reading the future you remember how

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could this have been written and in

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those years anyway

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we I was telling art about this if the

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key hadn't been published yet this stuff

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and we're trying to figure out what to

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do with it and the next thing I knew we

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were talking about doing a book about it

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and so we did and we used the material

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that I had learned from him and you know

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what I did was I I took things from him

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and I began to dig around in the

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scientific record of those days and when

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these ideas about these huge storms that

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had been existing in the past and so

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that that was the genesis of the book

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and you know

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brought the key out pretty much at the

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same time and I hope I'm getting my

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dates right I sometimes I get them mixed

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up but anyway it's all about the same

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time and whoever he was it's a it's a

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real mystery I mean I was in a hotel in

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Toronto as the last night of what would

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turn out to be the last author to her I

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would ever do and I was sleeping and

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someone knocked on the door I woke up

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and saw the room service tray still

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sitting on the little desk in the room

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and I figured out it's a room service

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waiter I didn't realize it was two

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o'clock in the morning mm-hmm so open

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the door and this man comes in and he

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walks right past the tray and goes over

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to the window turns around and starts

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walking and initially I think I had

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better try to throw this guy out because

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yeah this is not good I've had I'd had a

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situation here in a hotel in Chicago and

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I come into the room after my day of

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travails and work and flop down closet

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door opens and a woman comes out so she

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paid off some weight some room service

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car something I've been on TV and radio

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that day and she'd wanted to get in my

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room and I suppose into my bed and her

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methodology was unfortunate in that way

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because I immediately I ran out of the

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room actually and went downstairs and

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got a security guard and you know they

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got rid of her that way she was seemed

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like a perfectly nice person but she

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just had a bad idea about how to get in

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you know touch with me anyway I'm

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married and I was married then and I

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don't I'm not a fool around her so I

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wouldn't wasn't ever gonna happen anyway

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okay so that had happened and now this

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guy comes in it's too real I realize

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it's really late I know I'm not sure

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exactly what time it is at that point

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and he's not the room service waiter

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he's trying to talk to me it can't be

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good no one who comes into your room

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hotel room unannounced

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after midnight is good period that

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person has got to be gotten out of there

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quickly or you have to run like hell

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take your choice yeah it's pretty creepy

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right so I started to he was not big he

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was slight and he didn't look armed in

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fact he was wearing a close-fitting

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gray crew neck as I recall and in darker

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gray pants

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so I could see there was nothing there

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and then there's no bulge of a pistol or

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any kind of a weapon so I started to go

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after him and he starts talking about

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the Holocaust and he proceeds to say

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something that's just sort of stopped me

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in my shoes because he says if the child

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the unborn child if an unsung I'm you

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can read the key and and it's right

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there but to the effect I'm not I have

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to paraphrase it because I haven't got

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the book in front of me the if this

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child who was unborn when his parents

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were gassed had been born he would have

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solved the riddle of gravity and freed

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mankind from the bounds of Earth and

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because he died we are chained to the

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earth hmm and you hear something like

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that unlike any words anyone had ever

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spoken to me before in my life right

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right that are also mind-bending and

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terrifying you suddenly you change from

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a guy who wants to throw a nut out of

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his room to someone who wants to listen

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to this person yeah you were fully awake

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at that point I would have so yeah I was

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way away

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do do you look at you know speaking that

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and looking to the future and you think

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of super storm today I need your opinion

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of what's going on with with global

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warming and this climate change

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is this the earth is this something

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natural is this solar or is this created

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by us where are you on this

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well interglacials lasts between ten and

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fifteen thousand years we've met our

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planet has been an estate where it has

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been moving back and forth between

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glacial glaciations and temperate

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interglacials for nearly three million

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years and the end of the last glacial

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age he's speaking of gobekli tepe which

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i think your listeners have heard

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something about before that was created

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during the upheaval that that followed

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the end of the Ice Age that was the

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beginning of the current interglacial

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right it's about what 9,000 BC so 12,000

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years ago now that means that we don't

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really understand what causes this

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change we think it has something to do

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with the planets orbit but the planet

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right now isn't in an orbit that would

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suggest that it's going to go into an

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ice age what has happened on the earth

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since we started like lighten up let me

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put it that way is that an enormous

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amount of carbon dioxide has gone into

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the atmosphere in the past this happened

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because of volcanoes where there would

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be periods of volcanism and huge amounts

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of carbon dioxide would go into the

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atmosphere the planet would warm to an

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extremely high level and all everything

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would die out and then it would slowly

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come back again and that's happened time

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and time again it's a pattern on planet

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Earth but right now we are the volcano

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it's as simple as that and people will

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you know flip over backwards trying to

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say it's not us but that ain't true

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there's nobody else doing it there's no

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other there's no other place it's coming

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from so yeah it is

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and you know I'm personally I'm very

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close at this point in my life to the

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visitors I'm well I'm not gonna be coy

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about it anymore I'm close and this is

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this is they this is their belief and

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their knowledge and I I would never turn

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away from that because I've never known

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them to be wrong about anything in my

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life

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they're they know what they are talking

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about and I'll tell you nothing

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they're desperate they are desperate to

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get this thing working they want to come

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out they want to get into communication

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but right now because of the situation

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we are in they can't because

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communicating with them is nothing

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whatsoever like anything anybody may

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think or imagine right now and there are

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a lot of reasons for that I have

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finished a book which I'm gonna have out

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in October I hope I would like to

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publish it with a publisher but they're

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saying no sir you get it out there right

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now right now it's that urgent that will

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give mm not how to about how to

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communicate with them but a description

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of how I have succeeded in doing this

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over the years and it is it's not

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something I can just sit down and say oh

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well I did this and this and this it's

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much deeper and more complex than that

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because they whatever they are and I'm

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not even saying they're aliens I don't

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know what they are whatever they are

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they are really really different from us

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really different what do we do about

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this climate change then is there some

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emergency and well I'm is there one

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specific you know is there one thing

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that is is doing it or is it too much

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we're burning too much oil and too much

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a China is trying at least to cut down

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its carbon emissions but it won't be

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until next year that they are even

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getting to the point where they're not

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emitting more and more every year

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because China

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zon Cole it runs on coal it does there

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there was a period of time during

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China's major industrialization in the

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80s and 90s that they were putting up a

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new coal plant power plant every week

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they're doing that now I was with this

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is about ten years ago I'm with an

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engineer from back town right and uh

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anyway I'm not gonna get into specifics

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but he told me write direct he goes yeah

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well you know we've got 50 contracts

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right now building coal electric plans

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in China then the Germans did the French

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did everybody did the English had not

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one not two fifty yeah so you know if

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the problem is that you know basically

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if every Chinese gets to drink beer

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there is no beer left in the world and

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you have a situation where and this is

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the NE here's the visitors perspective

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by the way it's completely different

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they don't see this they don't even see

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our wars as having political issues they

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see this all as having to do with a

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population that expanded too fast they

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don't think of it it they don't blame

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anybody they don't think of it as being

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anybody's fault they think only totally

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objectively that there are simply too

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many human beings right and their

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concept is that we can build better and

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better technologies that then the more

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technologies we build in effect the

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smaller each individual's emissions

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become in other words right now the

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emission profile of a given Chinese

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might be ten feet tall but if they were

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to get that huge solar array in the Gobi

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Desert going and begin to close down

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their power plants that emission profile

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is going to go down to eight feet tall

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then six feet tall then three feet tall

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finally the Chinese emission Pro

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a chinese individual Chinese submission

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profile is going to be tiny and the same

429
00:21:56,900 --> 00:21:53,670
thing is true anywhere in the world so

430
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we can make the planet bigger with

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technology we can give ourselves a

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bigger atmosphere with technology but we

433
00:22:08,570 --> 00:22:05,190
don't actually think that way at all

434
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they think that way but not us like the

435
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wars the terrible Wars of the 20th

436
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century and this is also a warning from

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00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:16,110
them folks those wars had nothing to do

438
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as or they don't even care about

439
00:22:24,140 --> 00:22:20,190
politics they don't know anything about

440
00:22:26,810 --> 00:22:24,150
it at all they see this only as an

441
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instinctive reaction to population

442
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pressure and apparently it's something

443
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that I would guess happens all the time

444
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a species like ours not not really fully

445
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:38,160
conscious of itself yet gets to be

446
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overpopulated and if you look at the

447
00:22:46,610 --> 00:22:44,250
history of world world wars in in in

448
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20th century they were all caused by the

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same thing

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small very highly evolved

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technologically advanced countries

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feeling trapped in their space the

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Germans wanted what Hitler called

454
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leoben's from and in the in the First

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World War it was different that was they

456
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regard that as not a war but as a murder

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as a what did they I'm something like a

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I can't get the word but it's something

459
00:23:31,700 --> 00:23:25,070
like a seizure of a murderer where older

460
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men who are the alpha males murdered all

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of the younger ones because the younger

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ones were too numerous and if you look

463
00:23:45,410 --> 00:23:43,350
in nature the older alpha males will

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kill the younger a younger males any

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chance they get in many many species

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what we didn't realize is that's true of

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us too

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but they do know it because they know

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where we came from they know they know

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our instincts better than we do way

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00:24:03,230 --> 00:23:59,460
better do

472
00:24:06,260 --> 00:24:03,240
you think I'm gonna get your opinions on

473
00:24:10,130 --> 00:24:06,270
a bunch of different subjects tonight

474
00:24:13,370 --> 00:24:10,140
one of them briefly and we can pick this

475
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,380
up after the break is is evolution

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00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:16,080
because we're talking about these cycles

477
00:24:22,190 --> 00:24:18,809
that this planet goes through and we

478
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look at everything here whether Darwin

479
00:24:25,580 --> 00:24:24,029
was right or wrong he was wrong but

480
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whether he was right or wrong

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00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:32,880
isn't as big of an outlook as the US

482
00:24:39,860 --> 00:24:36,809
homo sapien sapien where we you and i

483
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and our families have been around for

484
00:24:46,460 --> 00:24:43,260
about 200,000 years which we didn't have

485
00:24:49,340 --> 00:24:46,470
time to evolve all the other species on

486
00:24:51,139 --> 00:24:49,350
this planet seemed to be in stasis I

487
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:51,149
don't see evolution going on with

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monkeys and apes and and and sharks and

489
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dolphins and elephants and whatever it

490
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does it doesn't really matter is is

491
00:25:04,490 --> 00:25:02,159
where we an accident or were we

492
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deposited here where we you know we're

493
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recreated you know I have tried to get a

494
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:12,720
straight answer out of them for that for

495
00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:17,250
a long long time and I only get ideas

496
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:22,289
I'm if we were created and we are

497
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looking at our creators then they made

498
00:25:34,909 --> 00:25:32,700
some kind of mistake here I think what

499
00:25:37,940 --> 00:25:34,919
exactly what the mistake is okay the

500
00:25:42,049 --> 00:25:37,950
mistake is a they gave us very big

501
00:25:45,409 --> 00:25:42,059
brains with good memories they took off

502
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all of our hair and fur they moved our

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genitals from beneath our bodies to the

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front and they eliminated seasonality

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meaning that we have sexual desire 24

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hours a day seven days a week the

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year-round we are very fixated on

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sexuality because we're more naked than

509
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any other creature on earth we have very

510
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prominent

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I mean any guy you to any guy is gonna

512
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be sexual is gonna definitely be able to

513
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vividly visualize any woman he sees that

514
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he is attracted to how she might look

515
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naked and that nakedness is one of the

516
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things that has caused us to have so

517
00:26:43,630 --> 00:26:39,860
many babies now the other thing is our

518
00:26:46,690 --> 00:26:43,640
brains are exquisitely supplied with

519
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:46,700
memory so we remember the pleasures of

520
00:26:54,210 --> 00:26:51,530
sex tremendously detail and we want more

521
00:26:58,810 --> 00:26:54,220
of course we want more everybody does

522
00:27:01,560 --> 00:26:58,820
but also we end up in a situation in a

523
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:01,570
situation where these brilliant minds

524
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:05,090
can do things like survive an Ice Age a

525
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:07,970
hundred thousand years ago when the Ice

526
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Age started we were basically running

527
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:14,210
around naked we didn't have any tribes

528
00:27:20,590 --> 00:27:17,330
we were just there was nothing to us we

529
00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:20,600
were forest creatures but by the time

530
00:27:25,660 --> 00:27:22,910
that Ice Age ended we were organized

531
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:25,670
into tribes we were wearing clothing

532
00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:29,810
made from other animal skins we had

533
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:34,190
survived a situation that would have

534
00:27:43,450 --> 00:27:38,090
been impossible to survive without a big

535
00:27:45,340 --> 00:27:43,460
brain and but unlike the animals we had

536
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:45,350
to survive it we had to fight for our

537
00:27:52,150 --> 00:27:49,250
lives because we had no fur how does a

538
00:27:55,150 --> 00:27:52,160
creature evolve in a world where

539
00:27:57,610 --> 00:27:55,160
everything obviously has fur and needs

540
00:28:00,190 --> 00:27:57,620
because it needs fur to live how does

541
00:28:05,530 --> 00:28:00,200
this one creature end up with no fur

542
00:28:07,660 --> 00:28:05,540
there's a practical joke or what I think

543
00:28:10,780 --> 00:28:07,670
we might have been designed I'm I'm not

544
00:28:12,550 --> 00:28:10,790
at all adverse to that idea I do have an

545
00:28:15,820 --> 00:28:12,560
uncle with a lot of hair on his back

546
00:28:17,890 --> 00:28:15,830
though you have what I don't go with a

547
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:17,900
lot of hair on his back and that you see

548
00:28:21,670 --> 00:28:19,970
I you I knew a guy who had a huge amount

549
00:28:23,620 --> 00:28:21,680
of here and girls used to piss him off

550
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:23,630
by setting this hair on lake here on the

551
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:25,690
fire

552
00:28:29,549 --> 00:28:27,279
take anyway yeah let's take a break

553
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:29,559
right here it's a good spot to do it our

554
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:32,320
guest tonight Whitley Strieber this is

555
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:33,850
fade to black I'm arrows Timmy Terps

556
00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:36,129
we've got an amazing week tonight which

557
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:38,200
starts tonight with Whitley tomorrow

558
00:28:41,940 --> 00:28:40,090
night Nick Redfern Wednesday night

559
00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:41,950
Richard Dolan Thursday night is open

560
00:28:45,570 --> 00:28:44,169
lines all night long more with Whitley

561
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:45,580
Strieber right after this short break

562
00:29:02,090 --> 00:28:46,720
stay with us

563
00:29:09,220 --> 00:29:06,540
[Music]

564
00:29:11,530 --> 00:29:09,230
welcome back fade to black I am your

565
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:11,540
host Jimmy Church our guest tonight

566
00:29:16,090 --> 00:29:13,610
Whitley streamer you can follow us right

567
00:29:18,150 --> 00:29:16,100
now on twitter at jay turks radio you

568
00:29:20,590 --> 00:29:18,160
can follow whitley at whitley strieber

569
00:29:22,330 --> 00:29:20,600
the links are right there in twitter

570
00:29:24,460 --> 00:29:22,340
engaged in the conversation we're gonna

571
00:29:26,050 --> 00:29:24,470
go through two or three thousand tweets

572
00:29:28,510 --> 00:29:26,060
tonight during the show and it's already

573
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:28,520
fired up pretty good and I do have some

574
00:29:32,620 --> 00:29:30,410
questions from the listeners too Whitley

575
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:32,630
that are starting to stack up but I

576
00:29:43,690 --> 00:29:38,330
wanted to I I've compiled a mental list

577
00:29:47,530 --> 00:29:43,700
on significant UFO and ET events over

578
00:29:50,620 --> 00:29:47,540
the last 70 years and I've never heard

579
00:29:52,780 --> 00:29:50,630
you address these I've heard you speak

580
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:52,790
about them but directly and what your

581
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:56,090
opinions are on them and and I'm just

582
00:30:01,390 --> 00:29:58,130
curious I'm just curious

583
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:01,400
and I want to start with 1947 and

584
00:30:09,730 --> 00:30:06,530
Roswell Edie and without without

585
00:30:14,860 --> 00:30:09,740
pre-empting the question what do you

586
00:30:16,180 --> 00:30:14,870
think happened at Roswell okay I'll tell

587
00:30:20,620 --> 00:30:16,190
you exactly what I think happened at

588
00:30:24,430 --> 00:30:20,630
Roswell it was a first of all it's one

589
00:30:30,580 --> 00:30:24,440
of the more most complicated events that

590
00:30:34,990 --> 00:30:30,590
has happened in human history a object

591
00:30:40,770 --> 00:30:35,000
from an unknown source containing beings

592
00:30:45,670 --> 00:30:40,780
of an unknown kind crashed or was

593
00:30:48,580 --> 00:30:45,680
intentionally dropped 30 miles from the

594
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:48,590
most secure military facility in the

595
00:30:57,820 --> 00:30:54,970
Western world now the 509th Bomb Wing

596
00:31:01,890 --> 00:30:57,830
but stationed at the Roswell Army Air

597
00:31:05,620 --> 00:31:01,900
Force Air at the base was the only

598
00:31:10,780 --> 00:31:05,630
operational atomic bomber wing on planet

599
00:31:14,170 --> 00:31:10,790
earth at that time spread across Europe

600
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:14,180
at the border between Eastern and

601
00:31:19,779 --> 00:31:16,490
Western Europe for four and a half

602
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:19,789
million Russian soldiers

603
00:31:27,159 --> 00:31:22,159
who had just finished wiping out the

604
00:31:30,930 --> 00:31:27,169
Germans were fantastically equipped in a

605
00:31:37,090 --> 00:31:30,940
state of extraordinary readiness and

606
00:31:40,090 --> 00:31:37,100
high morale and allied estimates were

607
00:31:44,019 --> 00:31:40,100
that they could reach the English

608
00:31:47,349 --> 00:31:44,029
Channel within six weeks and probably

609
00:31:51,789 --> 00:31:47,359
succeed in crossing it the only thing

610
00:31:56,139 --> 00:31:51,799
holding them back was not the relatively

611
00:31:58,599 --> 00:31:56,149
small remaining Allied forces in in

612
00:32:00,009 --> 00:31:58,609
Western Europe because we're democracies

613
00:32:01,539 --> 00:32:00,019
and as soon as the war was over we

614
00:32:03,310 --> 00:32:01,549
started sending everybody home of course

615
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:03,320
and they did not mm-hmm

616
00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:07,039
it was those bombers and here's the

617
00:32:14,859 --> 00:32:12,289
kicker and I can't prove this because if

618
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:14,869
it's true it's secret but it doesn't

619
00:32:19,989 --> 00:32:17,570
really matter it may be that we didn't

620
00:32:22,930 --> 00:32:19,999
actually have enough nuclear warheads

621
00:32:25,060 --> 00:32:22,940
there to do the job to get to actually

622
00:32:29,769 --> 00:32:25,070
destroy Moscow which is what Stalin

623
00:32:34,539 --> 00:32:29,779
feared would happen but in any case the

624
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:34,549
arrival of an unknown aircraft within 30

625
00:32:45,489 --> 00:32:41,440
miles of that base was a huge huge

626
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:45,499
threat and that's before they even no

627
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:49,210
one knew what the hell it was when the

628
00:32:58,210 --> 00:32:54,559
when the the lid was dropped by by the

629
00:33:01,599 --> 00:32:58,220
Pentagon one on it all they knew was an

630
00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:01,609
unknown craft had landed or crashed

631
00:33:07,419 --> 00:33:04,129
within 30 miles of the base now what

632
00:33:12,330 --> 00:33:07,429
made this so dangerous was that if that

633
00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:12,340
craft had contained the correct types of

634
00:33:19,299 --> 00:33:16,609
nuclear detection equipment it could

635
00:33:23,109 --> 00:33:19,309
have determined how much nuclear

636
00:33:25,299 --> 00:33:23,119
material was present on that airbase and

637
00:33:27,639 --> 00:33:25,309
therefore how dangerous those planes

638
00:33:29,619 --> 00:33:27,649
actually work so you know you were

639
00:33:31,930 --> 00:33:29,629
looking Truman suddenly found himself

640
00:33:33,019 --> 00:33:31,940
looking at a threat to the freedom of

641
00:33:36,259 --> 00:33:33,029
the entire West

642
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:36,269
world and that's why it initially became

643
00:33:44,569 --> 00:33:40,559
secret then comes then what happened was

644
00:33:48,739 --> 00:33:44,579
this the debris and the bodies and there

645
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:48,749
were bodies were gathered up and taken

646
00:33:54,289 --> 00:33:52,529
first to Dallas and then on to where

647
00:33:57,439 --> 00:33:54,299
they plane basically stopped and

648
00:34:03,429 --> 00:33:57,449
refueled and then on to Dayton Ohio to

649
00:34:07,219 --> 00:34:03,439
the army air to the air material command

650
00:34:10,309 --> 00:34:07,229
which was at at Wright Field then it was

651
00:34:14,899 --> 00:34:10,319
then called Wright Field where it was

652
00:34:16,789 --> 00:34:14,909
examined now as it happens one of the

653
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:16,799
people examining it was my uncle

654
00:34:22,419 --> 00:34:19,529
one of my uncle's hmm one of the other

655
00:34:28,549 --> 00:34:22,429
people examining it was his close friend

656
00:34:30,190 --> 00:34:28,559
now fast forward quite a few years 1988

657
00:34:34,369 --> 00:34:30,200
I published communion

658
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:34,379
my uncle telephones me about six weeks

659
00:34:41,869 --> 00:34:37,649
later from where he lives in Lackland

660
00:34:45,259 --> 00:34:41,879
Air Force Base retirement unit at

661
00:34:47,059 --> 00:34:45,269
Lackland and says would you like to come

662
00:34:49,490 --> 00:34:47,069
down I have some things I would like to

663
00:34:52,309 --> 00:34:49,500
talk to you about your book and the

664
00:34:53,809 --> 00:34:52,319
Roswell incident now I knew about the

665
00:34:55,249 --> 00:34:53,819
Roswell incident cuz by that time I'd

666
00:34:58,730 --> 00:34:55,259
read a lot of stuff and inside read

667
00:34:59,960 --> 00:34:58,740
Berlitz in bill Moore's book and so I

668
00:35:01,999 --> 00:34:59,970
said sure I'd love to

669
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:02,009
I never I had understand my uncle was

670
00:35:06,019 --> 00:35:03,690
one of the most secretive people on the

671
00:35:10,579 --> 00:35:06,029
planet and unless my father was more so

672
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:10,589
I don't know that anyway he never told

673
00:35:17,660 --> 00:35:14,970
any me at all about what he did except

674
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:17,670
we all knew it was very very secret I

675
00:35:23,569 --> 00:35:20,400
don't know that he worked on this the

676
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,579
entire time he was in in in the Air

677
00:35:29,299 --> 00:35:25,680
Force I've no know what he worked on

678
00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:29,309
okay so I go down there and he and his

679
00:35:38,210 --> 00:35:33,529
wife take me to lunch and me and Ann and

680
00:35:41,299 --> 00:35:38,220
he tells me that he helped to examine

681
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:41,309
the materials and he describes them to

682
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:46,400
me and he then says that I should

683
00:35:52,030 --> 00:35:49,370
to art xyn his close friend they'd been

684
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:52,040
lifelong friends by that time who knows

685
00:35:57,730 --> 00:35:55,280
more and would like to talk to me and I

686
00:36:01,150 --> 00:35:57,740
said to him you know you're telling me

687
00:36:03,340 --> 00:36:01,160
things that are obviously classified and

688
00:36:06,820 --> 00:36:03,350
I know that and you know that and he

689
00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:06,830
said no we have the instructions to do

690
00:36:13,390 --> 00:36:10,310
this and this is not illegal and when he

691
00:36:14,860 --> 00:36:13,400
said that he meant that because he did

692
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:14,870
not do things that were against the law

693
00:36:19,830 --> 00:36:16,850
he's not a so-called whistleblower or

694
00:36:24,340 --> 00:36:19,840
anything like that so I thought wow

695
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:24,350
incredible so I got home and I called

696
00:36:29,740 --> 00:36:27,770
the general xyn and he proceeds to tell

697
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:29,750
me quite a bit of stuff we talked for

698
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:33,050
quite a while he tells me about the fact

699
00:36:39,370 --> 00:36:36,370
that there were bodies he says to me

700
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:39,380
everyone from Truman on down knew that

701
00:36:44,140 --> 00:36:41,330
what we had found was not of this world

702
00:36:47,170 --> 00:36:44,150
within 24 hours of our finding it he

703
00:36:49,570 --> 00:36:47,180
also said it was a relief because they

704
00:36:50,350 --> 00:36:49,580
were so scared that this was something

705
00:36:54,700 --> 00:36:50,360
from the Russians

706
00:36:57,490 --> 00:36:54,710
mmm-hmm but then I believe Curtis LeMay

707
00:37:00,760 --> 00:36:57,500
or one of those generals offered the

708
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:00,770
opinion that it might be a scoutship

709
00:37:06,670 --> 00:37:02,720
from an invasion force from another

710
00:37:11,070 --> 00:37:06,680
world and somehow there got worked into

711
00:37:14,290 --> 00:37:11,080
there the idea that they might be demons

712
00:37:16,270 --> 00:37:14,300
because remember in those days we didn't

713
00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:16,280
know much of anything about outer space

714
00:37:24,220 --> 00:37:21,110
very little so the idea of planets and

715
00:37:26,290 --> 00:37:24,230
you know it was a known thing but these

716
00:37:28,060 --> 00:37:26,300
were people like general LeMay was a

717
00:37:30,370 --> 00:37:28,070
fundamentalist Christian and you know

718
00:37:34,210 --> 00:37:30,380
they they looked to what they believed

719
00:37:42,130 --> 00:37:34,220
for an explanation of this strange thing

720
00:37:45,220 --> 00:37:42,140
and so now subsequently a I have seen

721
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:45,230
the materials with my own eyes they are

722
00:37:54,220 --> 00:37:50,000
real and they have been studied and are

723
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:54,230
being studied and a lot of of

724
00:37:57,790 --> 00:37:56,240
discoveries that are may have been made

725
00:37:59,620 --> 00:37:57,800
from those materials and you can read

726
00:38:00,400 --> 00:37:59,630
about this and Diana for sokka's book

727
00:38:04,299 --> 00:38:00,410
American

728
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:04,309
have been bled out into the public I'm

729
00:38:11,079 --> 00:38:07,130
wearing a knee an artificial knee in my

730
00:38:14,650 --> 00:38:11,089
left knee that is as hard as it is in

731
00:38:19,690 --> 00:38:14,660
part because of things we have learned

732
00:38:22,420 --> 00:38:19,700
from these materials now so this is part

733
00:38:25,390 --> 00:38:22,430
of what I know about Roswell the other

734
00:38:28,180 --> 00:38:25,400
side of this coin is why was it put down

735
00:38:30,819 --> 00:38:28,190
in that particular place why was it a

736
00:38:33,759 --> 00:38:30,829
crash and not just a landing in some

737
00:38:37,359 --> 00:38:33,769
very prominent place where people get

738
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:37,369
out of the thing and help us in a

739
00:38:42,730 --> 00:38:40,730
straightforward way the answer that

740
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:42,740
question is really fairly complicated

741
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:47,089
but let me just do it first of all the

742
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:52,160
gap between us is huge it has to be

743
00:38:57,490 --> 00:38:54,890
narrowed and it can only be narrowed by

744
00:39:00,910 --> 00:38:57,500
us making discoveries that bring us

745
00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:00,920
closer to their level if that doesn't

746
00:39:10,049 --> 00:39:04,910
happen then when they show up we become

747
00:39:14,349 --> 00:39:10,059
like beggars supplicants it's like when

748
00:39:16,900 --> 00:39:14,359
the British showed up in a on and on and

749
00:39:18,759 --> 00:39:16,910
on an island in the Pacific that where

750
00:39:21,460 --> 00:39:18,769
people had never seen her better the

751
00:39:23,890 --> 00:39:21,470
Americans did in World War two showed up

752
00:39:25,779 --> 00:39:23,900
on these little islands you know people

753
00:39:28,799 --> 00:39:25,789
had never seen anything like an airplane

754
00:39:32,829 --> 00:39:28,809
or anything like the wealth that these

755
00:39:37,140 --> 00:39:32,839
gi's and airmen brought with them they

756
00:39:40,029 --> 00:39:37,150
were completely disempowered they felt

757
00:39:42,759 --> 00:39:40,039
useless and purposeless and like idiots

758
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:42,769
when they saw what these people who had

759
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,450
nothing whatsoever to do with their

760
00:39:48,809 --> 00:39:46,400
beliefs their gods their religion or

761
00:39:52,329 --> 00:39:48,819
anything they understood about the world

762
00:39:56,430 --> 00:39:52,339
what they actually had and could do they

763
00:39:59,410 --> 00:39:56,440
were terribly diminished now back in

764
00:40:03,609 --> 00:39:59,420
1977 a little article was published in

765
00:40:07,180 --> 00:40:03,619
the April issue of science magazine by

766
00:40:09,849 --> 00:40:07,190
DBH Kuiper and Mark Morris - signed to

767
00:40:12,759 --> 00:40:09,859
physicists I believe they were both

768
00:40:14,170 --> 00:40:12,769
physicists and no one of those

769
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:14,180
astrophysicists Kuiper's

770
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:16,130
discovered the Kuiper belt and so forth

771
00:40:23,110 --> 00:40:19,210
anyway they published this speculation

772
00:40:26,170 --> 00:40:23,120
about why alien as if they showed up

773
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:26,180
here would be secretive and the reason

774
00:40:30,940 --> 00:40:28,640
was that they would only be interested

775
00:40:34,420 --> 00:40:30,950
in finding things that were new because

776
00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:34,430
they would know so much that anything

777
00:40:42,730 --> 00:40:37,310
new would be incredibly precious to them

778
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:42,740
and therefore the visitors hung back and

779
00:40:48,930 --> 00:40:45,770
still hang back while donating

780
00:40:52,020 --> 00:40:48,940
apparently with these accidents

781
00:40:55,870 --> 00:40:52,030
materials to us that are enabling us to

782
00:40:57,940 --> 00:40:55,880
move ahead now I don't know whether they

783
00:41:01,960 --> 00:40:57,950
understood this or not they probably did

784
00:41:06,670 --> 00:41:01,970
knowing them and that we would hide our

785
00:41:09,700 --> 00:41:06,680
discoveries out of fear that there is a

786
00:41:11,980 --> 00:41:09,710
that our enemies would get wind of it

787
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:11,990
both and figure things out before we

788
00:41:17,470 --> 00:41:14,690
could right now for example I am aware

789
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:17,480
of the fact and I can't go into why but

790
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:20,000
I am aware of the fact that the United

791
00:41:26,170 --> 00:41:22,370
States Russia and China are in a real

792
00:41:29,350 --> 00:41:26,180
tussle about the secret of gravity that

793
00:41:31,420 --> 00:41:29,360
someone is going to get that and the

794
00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:31,430
power that gets that is going to of

795
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:36,110
course be very prompt very dominant but

796
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:38,480
we need to get past all of that it's too

797
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:41,690
late it's too late for the secrecy you

798
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:45,170
know the the march on area 51 was a sort

799
00:41:49,930 --> 00:41:47,450
of total bust as we talked about and

800
00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:49,940
we'll talk about mm-hmm and which is

801
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:51,710
fine I mean I didn't expect it to be

802
00:41:57,550 --> 00:41:55,130
anything else but it is a little rumble

803
00:42:01,150 --> 00:41:57,560
of thunder distant lightning on the

804
00:42:03,220 --> 00:42:01,160
horizon because you take a situation

805
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:03,230
that could be happening within a few

806
00:42:08,530 --> 00:42:05,810
years where a whole lot of people are

807
00:42:11,710 --> 00:42:08,540
starving in this country or don't have

808
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:11,720
water or things are really really really

809
00:42:16,270 --> 00:42:13,970
coming apart at the seams and all these

810
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:16,280
people who were believers and followers

811
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:20,450
and yeah global warming is nonsense it's

812
00:42:27,070 --> 00:42:24,410
all rubbish they are suffering and

813
00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:27,080
watching their kids suffer they are

814
00:42:31,859 --> 00:42:28,260
going to be

815
00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:31,869
everywhere for information for some kind

816
00:42:37,769 --> 00:42:34,329
of salvation and when the first places

817
00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:37,779
they're gonna look is inside the hidden

818
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:40,510
community that studies this stuff and

819
00:42:46,620 --> 00:42:44,079
I'm telling you the French aristocrats

820
00:42:49,140 --> 00:42:46,630
thought that they owned the world it

821
00:42:50,579 --> 00:42:49,150
right before the French Revolution a few

822
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:50,589
years later their heads were all going

823
00:42:57,180 --> 00:42:54,130
off these people are our aristocrats

824
00:43:00,329 --> 00:42:57,190
they're not the billionaires these

825
00:43:03,450 --> 00:43:00,339
people who really know this stuff and

826
00:43:05,819 --> 00:43:03,460
really understand it they are the ones

827
00:43:08,579 --> 00:43:05,829
at the absolute top of the food chain

828
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:08,589
and I'm warning them and I'm

829
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:11,440
guaranteeing to you they will be dragged

830
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:13,839
out of the places where they are and

831
00:43:22,529 --> 00:43:17,200
their secrets will be extracted from

832
00:43:27,930 --> 00:43:22,539
them but it won't help it won't help

833
00:43:31,710 --> 00:43:27,940
that's not going to work so I am hoping

834
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:31,720
that we get into a situation soon where

835
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:34,000
there can be coherent communication

836
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:35,680
between us and the visitors because

837
00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:38,770
right now we have not got a clue about

838
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:39,910
how to do that

839
00:43:48,750 --> 00:43:42,640
not a clue and there's nobody helping us

840
00:43:52,140 --> 00:43:48,760
and speaking of the visitors in those

841
00:43:56,370 --> 00:43:52,150
terms like Roswell I wanted to ask you

842
00:44:00,089 --> 00:43:56,380
in the exact same mindset with

843
00:44:02,789 --> 00:44:00,099
Rendlesham where now we've got a

844
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:02,799
military encounter that has gone very

845
00:44:08,700 --> 00:44:06,880
very public but were the visitors well

846
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:08,710
what's your opinion on that was that us

847
00:44:13,890 --> 00:44:11,410
from the future was that something else

848
00:44:16,410 --> 00:44:13,900
was it a test what's your opinion on

849
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:16,420
Rendlesham well you know I don't I don't

850
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:20,130
understand what time travel would be

851
00:44:25,170 --> 00:44:22,720
because you know we have we know of

852
00:44:29,279 --> 00:44:25,180
certain forces in the universe there is

853
00:44:32,010 --> 00:44:29,289
no force called time what we see when we

854
00:44:37,319 --> 00:44:32,020
see time is entropy the the slow change

855
00:44:39,059 --> 00:44:37,329
that is the caused caused by alterations

856
00:44:40,650 --> 00:44:39,069
in the energy levels of everything in

857
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:40,660
the world around us that's what causes

858
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:41,920
Tom

859
00:44:48,270 --> 00:44:44,560
time is a kind of illusion so how can

860
00:44:50,910 --> 00:44:48,280
you go back in an illusion I have some

861
00:44:52,860 --> 00:44:50,920
fascinating interest in information from

862
00:44:54,810 --> 00:44:52,870
the visitors about this from a long time

863
00:44:57,900 --> 00:44:54,820
ago when I did ask them this question

864
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:57,910
and the answer this is back when I have

865
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:00,160
gosh when we lived in our beloved little

866
00:45:05,610 --> 00:45:03,970
old cabin in upstate New York I asked

867
00:45:09,290 --> 00:45:05,620
them this and they said the future is

868
00:45:12,570 --> 00:45:09,300
like water the present is a compressor

869
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:12,580
that compresses it and the past is like

870
00:45:20,220 --> 00:45:16,960
ice you can't do much to change the past

871
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:20,230
but you can find bubbles here in there

872
00:45:24,780 --> 00:45:24,160
and go in those bubbles and when you do

873
00:45:28,050 --> 00:45:24,790
that

874
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:28,060
you can see the past and I thought to

875
00:45:34,140 --> 00:45:30,970
myself at the time maybe also the past

876
00:45:39,180 --> 00:45:34,150
can see you and maybe they know that and

877
00:45:41,010 --> 00:45:39,190
maybe that somehow can echo forward into

878
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:41,020
the present in the future because we

879
00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:43,210
physics tells us that there's no

880
00:45:49,770 --> 00:45:45,910
particular reason that the paths that

881
00:45:51,420 --> 00:45:49,780
the time flows in the direction it does

882
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:51,430
it could flow in any direction it can

883
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:56,410
flow in the future or the past so yeah I

884
00:46:00,570 --> 00:45:58,330
think there's something there in the

885
00:46:02,850 --> 00:46:00,580
time travel thing but if that's it it's

886
00:46:04,830 --> 00:46:02,860
a very limited something that they that

887
00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:04,840
they may have done that has maybe a

888
00:46:10,770 --> 00:46:07,510
rather limited effect but they are so

889
00:46:14,340 --> 00:46:10,780
knowledgeable they may have picked just

890
00:46:16,530 --> 00:46:14,350
the right point to where that limited

891
00:46:19,950 --> 00:46:16,540
effect would resonate and resonate and

892
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:19,960
resonate until finally it changes its

893
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:23,610
own future which is an extraordinary

894
00:46:29,130 --> 00:46:26,800
breathtakingly dramatic capability I

895
00:46:31,740 --> 00:46:29,140
don't think it's completely out of the

896
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:31,750
question but I would be really surprised

897
00:46:36,810 --> 00:46:34,690
if that was the actual answer do you do

898
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:36,820
you remember when our Penniston Jim

899
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:39,040
Penniston said that when he touched the

900
00:46:48,660 --> 00:46:44,050
object he got a download and that it

901
00:46:51,690 --> 00:46:48,670
wasn't that they were us right and

902
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:51,700
that's that's what he was told and I

903
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:54,810
always found that very very interesting

904
00:47:00,500 --> 00:46:57,810
if he was yeah well if he was making it

905
00:47:02,570 --> 00:47:00,510
up right and he could have gone

906
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:02,580
certainly more fantastical and more

907
00:47:10,990 --> 00:47:06,960
dramatic than that saying that they are

908
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:11,000
us that puts a whole nother spin on this

909
00:47:19,460 --> 00:47:14,400
well you know when Annie saw that years

910
00:47:22,310 --> 00:47:19,470
ago she said oh what happened to us very

911
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:22,320
funny answer I thought but there there's

912
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:26,910
another thing there and that's this if

913
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:33,050
it is possible to somehow enter this

914
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:43,880
if you wanted to change it the one thing

915
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:49,130
you could not do would be to cause the

916
00:47:56,180 --> 00:47:53,040
grandfather paradox to be enacted that

917
00:47:58,849 --> 00:47:56,190
is to say that you we know from having

918
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:58,859
sent photons back into their own pasts

919
00:48:03,710 --> 00:48:01,200
that the grandfather paradox is real

920
00:48:07,250 --> 00:48:03,720
they will never touch their past past

921
00:48:08,900 --> 00:48:07,260
versions of themselves now I mean and

922
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:08,910
this is theoretical it's not never been

923
00:48:15,020 --> 00:48:12,960
done physically I I hasten to add so I'm

924
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:15,030
just talking about math here mm-hmm

925
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:17,609
right but math is math is the beginning

926
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:20,130
of everything so it's probably true in

927
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:25,170
any case if you could do that the one

928
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:29,330
thing you would have to do would be to

929
00:48:37,940 --> 00:48:35,010
avoid seeming or appearing like

930
00:48:40,670 --> 00:48:37,950
something that was real because if you

931
00:48:45,940 --> 00:48:40,680
seemed to be something that was real you

932
00:48:48,260 --> 00:48:45,950
could not trick the past into not

933
00:48:49,609 --> 00:48:48,270
activating the grandfather paradox it

934
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:49,619
would activate immediately and

935
00:48:56,030 --> 00:48:53,609
automatically then you're saying the

936
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:56,040
grandfather paradox would be prevented

937
00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:59,520
there would be the grandfather yep you

938
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:01,680
you would be prevented from doing

939
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:04,050
anything to change the past cause of the

940
00:49:10,430 --> 00:49:07,680
grandfather paradox right unless you

941
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:10,440
appeared to be something that wasn't

942
00:49:16,220 --> 00:49:14,490
real at all and in fact were something

943
00:49:20,930 --> 00:49:16,230
that was unreal you were an invention

944
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:20,940
and therefore the grandfather paradox

945
00:49:27,380 --> 00:49:25,200
might not be activated because it

946
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:27,390
wouldn't there wouldn't be any reference

947
00:49:32,089 --> 00:49:29,490
point for it to activate it right right

948
00:49:34,370 --> 00:49:32,099
this is just a theoretical right right

949
00:49:35,870 --> 00:49:34,380
that's very interesting so wine so that

950
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:35,880
might be why they look like they do

951
00:49:39,650 --> 00:49:37,410
because that's not what they really are

952
00:49:41,660 --> 00:49:39,660
maybe it's just really us right right

953
00:49:44,510 --> 00:49:41,670
right right and if you're gonna go back

954
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:44,520
in time and show up in Rendlesham forest

955
00:49:50,990 --> 00:49:47,250
outside of an Air Force Base look like a

956
00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:51,000
flying saucer right looks like something

957
00:49:57,710 --> 00:49:53,250
that doesn't exist right right then then

958
00:49:59,210 --> 00:49:57,720
you can do more than you would if you

959
00:50:03,290 --> 00:49:59,220
looked like something that did exist

960
00:50:05,620 --> 00:50:03,300
it's so for you and looking at this

961
00:50:10,460 --> 00:50:05,630
maybe the visitors have mentioned this

962
00:50:14,180 --> 00:50:10,470
ultimately what was Rendlesham well you

963
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:14,190
know I am a person who doesn't I live by

964
00:50:20,300 --> 00:50:17,609
certain things a lot of which I learned

965
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:20,310
learn from an one of the things she used

966
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:24,480
to say and said is the human species is

967
00:50:30,589 --> 00:50:27,330
too young to have beliefs what we need

968
00:50:31,130 --> 00:50:30,599
are the good questions and I live by

969
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:31,140
that

970
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:33,570
so I can't tell you what I think

971
00:50:38,420 --> 00:50:36,330
Rendlesham was I'm not going to say I

972
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:38,430
believe this or I've concluded that or

973
00:50:44,060 --> 00:50:41,130
based on this in this in this piece of

974
00:50:47,390 --> 00:50:44,070
evidence I think that this is true and

975
00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:47,400
the reason is that we don't have a

976
00:50:55,250 --> 00:50:51,089
ground of truth we don't have any basic

977
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:55,260
ground that we know is true and why do I

978
00:51:00,980 --> 00:50:57,810
say that I say that for two reasons

979
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:00,990
first when you get down to the smallest

980
00:51:07,940 --> 00:51:05,130
most basic fundamental parts of the

981
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:07,950
universe what you have is indeterminacy

982
00:51:14,060 --> 00:51:11,250
they're not anywhere they're not

983
00:51:16,730 --> 00:51:14,070
anywhere you know that the number of

984
00:51:20,210 --> 00:51:16,740
atoms compared to the number amount of

985
00:51:21,550 --> 00:51:20,220
of empty space and a piece of steel is

986
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:21,560
literally

987
00:51:30,250 --> 00:51:24,650
infinitesimal yep a piece of steel

988
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:30,260
everything it's not 99% empty space it's

989
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:34,650
99% to the nth power empty space right

990
00:51:38,570 --> 00:51:37,770
this doesn't exist it's not here it's

991
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:38,580
something else

992
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:42,720
and these are we you what I believe

993
00:51:47,690 --> 00:51:45,090
because I don't believe anything I don't

994
00:51:50,210 --> 00:51:47,700
know there you go that's a that's a

995
00:51:54,740 --> 00:51:50,220
really really really really solid point

996
00:51:56,930 --> 00:51:54,750
and the the idea behind all of that

997
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:56,940
especially when you listen to physicists

998
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:00,720
speak about this directly the amount of

999
00:52:07,180 --> 00:52:02,970
emptiness around us we don't have a

1000
00:52:10,340 --> 00:52:07,190
concept we feel things and we understand

1001
00:52:13,340 --> 00:52:10,350
with that tactile side of things that

1002
00:52:16,070 --> 00:52:13,350
things are solid and this is our reality

1003
00:52:20,060 --> 00:52:16,080
but we don't understand we can't have we

1004
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:20,070
don't we don't grasp the emptiness we

1005
00:52:26,420 --> 00:52:23,210
don't we don't understand it nobody

1006
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:26,430
understands the emptiness of everything

1007
00:52:31,130 --> 00:52:28,890
and you know you know what Einstein said

1008
00:52:34,460 --> 00:52:31,140
I sign said matter his energy slowed

1009
00:52:36,350 --> 00:52:34,470
down so that's that this is all energy

1010
00:52:38,420 --> 00:52:36,360
that's all this is about there isn't

1011
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:38,430
there isn't matter versus energy there's

1012
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:42,410
just different forms of energy that's it

1013
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:45,690
and and and the equation goes backwards

1014
00:52:50,690 --> 00:52:48,720
and forwards equals mc-squared energy is

1015
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:50,700
mass mass is energy and that's the end

1016
00:52:55,220 --> 00:52:53,490
of the story dance that's right let's

1017
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:55,230
say let's take our break right here this

1018
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:56,160
is fade to black

1019
00:53:01,520 --> 00:52:58,800
I am your host Jimmy church tonight

1020
00:53:04,310 --> 00:53:01,530
whitley strieber Ravin a very open

1021
00:53:06,530 --> 00:53:04,320
conversation on all things ET and UFO

1022
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:06,540
and other stuff we'll be right back up

1023
00:53:48,490 --> 00:53:45,670
[Music]

1024
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:48,500
[Applause]

1025
00:53:52,580 --> 00:53:50,970
welcome back fade to black I am your

1026
00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:52,590
host Jimmy Church if you want to join in

1027
00:53:58,580 --> 00:53:54,900
on the conversation tonight on Twitter

1028
00:54:00,500 --> 00:53:58,590
hashtag f2 B is the sandbox any

1029
00:54:04,580 --> 00:54:00,510
questions for myself will Whitley

1030
00:54:07,130 --> 00:54:04,590
tonight hashtag f2b q and of course both

1031
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:07,140
of our chat rooms are open at Spreaker

1032
00:54:10,430 --> 00:54:09,570
and over AKG RA the planet our guest

1033
00:54:13,790 --> 00:54:10,440
tonight Whitley Strieber

1034
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:13,800
and Whitley continuing on this is

1035
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:18,000
specifically about the military and and

1036
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:21,450
what may be going on of course we have

1037
00:54:24,740 --> 00:54:23,760
all of the stories about today we'll get

1038
00:54:27,860 --> 00:54:24,750
to that later

1039
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:27,870
but we have Malmstrom Air Force Base and

1040
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:30,810
with you ApS and and the Navy in the

1041
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:33,930
airforce being the subject today we have

1042
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:36,450
Malmstrom Air Force Base where it

1043
00:54:44,330 --> 00:54:39,330
appeared that somebody was running

1044
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:44,340
interference over our missiles was this

1045
00:54:52,070 --> 00:54:47,010
the visitors does the government

1046
00:54:53,330 --> 00:54:52,080
understand what is going on I you know I

1047
00:54:55,610 --> 00:54:53,340
don't think the government does

1048
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:55,620
understand what's going on I think if

1049
00:54:59,540 --> 00:54:57,330
they understood what what's going on

1050
00:55:03,620 --> 00:54:59,550
things would be different and I'll tell

1051
00:55:10,490 --> 00:55:03,630
you why back when the National Security

1052
00:55:15,020 --> 00:55:10,500
Act of 1947 was passed the the the Act

1053
00:55:21,230 --> 00:55:15,030
mandated that when the military engaged

1054
00:55:24,020 --> 00:55:21,240
with something the potential hostility

1055
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:24,030
or danger of which was unknown it was to

1056
00:55:29,540 --> 00:55:26,490
keep that secret and this I think

1057
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:29,550
probably was put in there because of the

1058
00:55:33,230 --> 00:55:31,410
Roswell incident and possibly other

1059
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:33,240
things where they were dealing with

1060
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:35,520
unknown unknowns and they wanted to be

1061
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:37,970
sure that those unknowns didn't slip out

1062
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:41,010
into the public into the public simply

1063
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:43,130
because they didn't know what they were

1064
00:55:51,860 --> 00:55:47,850
now 70 years later a few things are

1065
00:55:54,590 --> 00:55:51,870
pretty obvious one it's not an invasion

1066
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:54,600
of any kind that we would expect because

1067
00:55:58,610 --> 00:55:57,090
that would be over by now they're not

1068
00:56:00,830 --> 00:55:58,620
trying to take over our planet they're

1069
00:56:01,819 --> 00:56:00,840
obviously not eating us if they were

1070
00:56:07,089 --> 00:56:01,829
eating us probably

1071
00:56:11,509 --> 00:56:07,099
wouldn't have global warming they're not

1072
00:56:14,930 --> 00:56:11,519
they're a benign presence as far as we

1073
00:56:17,690 --> 00:56:14,940
can see so now the secrets are being

1074
00:56:21,140 --> 00:56:17,700
kept not for that reason but because of

1075
00:56:26,059 --> 00:56:21,150
the possibility that weapons may be

1076
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:26,069
devised out of what we have and what we

1077
00:56:34,099 --> 00:56:30,089
are learning so the result of this is

1078
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:34,109
that the reason the original reason if

1079
00:56:41,180 --> 00:56:37,200
you read the more recent acts you'll

1080
00:56:44,029 --> 00:56:41,190
find that this mandate for keeping

1081
00:56:47,959 --> 00:56:44,039
things top-secret has altered in order

1082
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:47,969
to include things that may impinge on

1083
00:56:53,269 --> 00:56:50,249
the national security if they are

1084
00:56:56,599 --> 00:56:53,279
revealed in other words processes and so

1085
00:56:58,249 --> 00:56:56,609
forth that could that could be picked up

1086
00:57:02,569 --> 00:56:58,259
by an enemy and turned into weapons

1087
00:57:06,109 --> 00:57:02,579
against us so the secrecy continues so

1088
00:57:11,989 --> 00:57:06,119
you get into a situation like that and

1089
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:11,999
you have to ask yourself do if if they

1090
00:57:17,689 --> 00:57:14,130
really fully understood what was going

1091
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:17,699
on would it be necessary to continue to

1092
00:57:22,430 --> 00:57:20,910
hide it like it they do and unless they

1093
00:57:24,650 --> 00:57:22,440
are being forced to hide it by the

1094
00:57:27,170 --> 00:57:24,660
visitors who were very clever in the

1095
00:57:30,380 --> 00:57:27,180
beginning they created a situation by

1096
00:57:33,439 --> 00:57:30,390
showing up next door to that incredibly

1097
00:57:36,849 --> 00:57:33,449
secure base where we would hide it and

1098
00:57:39,289 --> 00:57:36,859
as I pointed out earlier they did that

1099
00:57:41,089 --> 00:57:39,299
so that we could get a hold of the

1100
00:57:43,699 --> 00:57:41,099
technology and give us a chance to catch

1101
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:43,709
up so that we would not be supplicants

1102
00:57:49,609 --> 00:57:46,650
but we would rather be partners when we

1103
00:57:54,529 --> 00:57:49,619
eventually came together in a in in an

1104
00:57:56,989 --> 00:57:54,539
open way now something is wrong here

1105
00:58:00,439 --> 00:57:56,999
I think the secrets have been kept for

1106
00:58:03,859 --> 00:58:00,449
too long I think it's probably somewhere

1107
00:58:06,049 --> 00:58:03,869
back in the 80s or even earlier this

1108
00:58:07,219 --> 00:58:06,059
should have become started to get out

1109
00:58:09,259 --> 00:58:07,229
into the public in a much more

1110
00:58:10,939 --> 00:58:09,269
straightforward way and as I said

1111
00:58:15,420 --> 00:58:10,949
earlier the result of this is going to

1112
00:58:17,010 --> 00:58:15,430
be an explosion of anger eventually and

1113
00:58:19,079 --> 00:58:17,020
intelligence community will be taken

1114
00:58:21,630 --> 00:58:19,089
down by it almost certainly because

1115
00:58:23,790 --> 00:58:21,640
there's there'll be a revolution sir not

1116
00:58:25,980 --> 00:58:23,800
just here but in all kinds of places all

1117
00:58:30,329 --> 00:58:25,990
over the world because you know people

1118
00:58:31,980 --> 00:58:30,339
get hungry and they get mad so I can't

1119
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:31,990
answer the question directly I don't

1120
00:58:37,260 --> 00:58:33,490
know specifically what might have

1121
00:58:38,910 --> 00:58:37,270
happened there but what I can say is the

1122
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:38,920
way it looks

1123
00:58:47,220 --> 00:58:40,960
somebody was trying very hard to hide

1124
00:58:50,030 --> 00:58:47,230
something today where we have I am of

1125
00:58:54,270 --> 00:58:50,040
the opinion I don't know specifically

1126
00:58:56,490 --> 00:58:54,280
but I'm I'm of the opinion that with

1127
00:58:59,040 --> 00:58:56,500
everything that is happening in such

1128
00:59:00,569 --> 00:58:59,050
rapid fire over the last year year and a

1129
00:59:05,010 --> 00:59:00,579
half when it comes to the UFO question

1130
00:59:07,049 --> 00:59:05,020
all the way up to the storm area51 event

1131
00:59:10,500 --> 00:59:07,059
actually the way that this has been

1132
00:59:12,390 --> 00:59:10,510
covered up covered in the media it seems

1133
00:59:14,579 --> 00:59:12,400
that they may be trying to get out in

1134
00:59:17,549 --> 00:59:14,589
front of something of which I don't know

1135
00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:17,559
but I think that there are places on

1136
00:59:23,839 --> 00:59:21,520
this planet that may be revealed and

1137
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:23,849
that would be out of their control and

1138
00:59:31,650 --> 00:59:27,970
specifically this face in and arctica

1139
00:59:33,319 --> 00:59:31,660
that you know I pushed out there and and

1140
00:59:36,410 --> 00:59:33,329
others did over the last couple of weeks

1141
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:36,420
this face in Antarctica which obviously

1142
00:59:42,690 --> 00:59:39,280
people think of Cydonia and Mars and and

1143
00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:42,700
so forth but this is a very interesting

1144
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:45,849
I don't know what it is but it's

1145
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:47,290
certainly a face I don't know if it's

1146
00:59:51,900 --> 00:59:49,359
natural or man-made that part I don't

1147
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:51,910
know but if something like that reveals

1148
00:59:58,440 --> 00:59:54,880
itself like the face in Antarctica and

1149
01:00:00,569 --> 00:59:58,450
goes worldwide then the government would

1150
01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:00,579
be state actors around the world faced

1151
01:00:06,510 --> 01:00:04,510
with that dilemma right and maybe this

1152
01:00:10,859 --> 01:00:06,520
is part of getting out in front of the

1153
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:10,869
story you know spreading UFO around the

1154
01:00:14,430 --> 01:00:13,119
world and getting everybody acclimated

1155
01:00:19,500 --> 01:00:14,440
what did you make of the face in

1156
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:19,510
Antarctica you know my problem is this

1157
01:00:25,319 --> 01:00:23,530
we are so good now with manipulating

1158
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:25,329
video I don't know what to make of it

1159
01:00:29,490 --> 01:00:27,760
there's not enough information there you

1160
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:29,500
can't you know with

1161
01:00:35,700 --> 01:00:33,130
having somebody I knew personally to be

1162
01:00:38,030 --> 01:00:35,710
honest go out there and take pictures of

1163
01:00:40,980 --> 01:00:38,040
the face I just don't know what it is I

1164
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:40,990
don't know if it's fake or real yeah I

1165
01:00:44,340 --> 01:00:42,640
think we're gonna run with your quote

1166
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:44,350
here

1167
01:00:55,380 --> 01:00:51,490
and Twitter and and I'm scrolling back

1168
01:00:58,500 --> 01:00:55,390
for it for what you just said I died

1169
01:01:01,980 --> 01:00:58,510
what oh I've lost it

1170
01:01:03,690 --> 01:01:01,990
I don't know what I don't know what was

1171
01:01:08,130 --> 01:01:03,700
your quote right before the break

1172
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:08,140
Oh No what it was was what Anne used to

1173
01:01:12,510 --> 01:01:11,440
say is that the human species is too

1174
01:01:15,630 --> 01:01:12,520
young to have beliefs

1175
01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:15,640
I don't eat questions I don't believe

1176
01:01:21,210 --> 01:01:18,310
anything I don't know yeah that's

1177
01:01:23,790 --> 01:01:21,220
exactly yeah I don't believe I don't

1178
01:01:25,470 --> 01:01:23,800
know and if I don't know why should I

1179
01:01:26,910 --> 01:01:25,480
believe it I'm not gonna believe

1180
01:01:29,130 --> 01:01:26,920
something because somebody tells me it's

1181
01:01:32,750 --> 01:01:29,140
true I'm you know I've been there and

1182
01:01:39,630 --> 01:01:32,760
done that and that is not a good idea

1183
01:01:42,300 --> 01:01:39,640
but I am going to say that let me put

1184
01:01:47,390 --> 01:01:42,310
this another way the Antarctic is an

1185
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:47,400
ideal place or it was an ideal place to

1186
01:01:53,310 --> 01:01:51,850
hide someone if you had a big large

1187
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:53,320
thing going on and I'll tell you

1188
01:01:59,160 --> 01:01:56,050
something I know about this back in the

1189
01:02:02,370 --> 01:01:59,170
communion days and I believe it was 89 I

1190
01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:02,380
went on a world tour world author tour

1191
01:02:07,770 --> 01:02:05,110
which included New Zealand and I was in

1192
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:07,780
Auckland and at night the hotel

1193
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:11,410
overlooked the airport that there were

1194
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:15,370
planes coming and going coming and going

1195
01:02:21,420 --> 01:02:19,210
coming and going at night and the

1196
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:21,430
newspapers were full of this that it was

1197
01:02:25,530 --> 01:02:22,450
a US Air Force

1198
01:02:28,650 --> 01:02:25,540
it was driving people crazy because

1199
01:02:31,770 --> 01:02:28,660
these planes were blasting through the

1200
01:02:34,380 --> 01:02:31,780
quiet skies of Auckland New Zealand at

1201
01:02:36,750 --> 01:02:34,390
night and driving people nuts and this

1202
01:02:38,700 --> 01:02:36,760
was literally at 24 you saw him during

1203
01:02:40,620 --> 01:02:38,710
the day - it was just going on and on

1204
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:40,630
and on and they were all going to

1205
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:42,970
Antarctica and

1206
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:45,520
the New Zealand government would not put

1207
01:02:50,460 --> 01:02:47,170
a stop to it and would not tell the

1208
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:50,470
public why and people were furious so

1209
01:02:57,839 --> 01:02:54,250
even back then something very big was

1210
01:03:00,660 --> 01:02:57,849
being built in Antarctica very big and

1211
01:03:04,620 --> 01:03:00,670
here's the interesting thing you don't

1212
01:03:05,660 --> 01:03:04,630
see anything down there now it's that

1213
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:05,670
big

1214
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:10,770
therefore what was being built is secret

1215
01:03:17,730 --> 01:03:14,050
see where I'm coming from I do yeah

1216
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:17,740
so but what is it I don't know I I won't

1217
01:03:22,740 --> 01:03:19,810
make the net I won't take the next step

1218
01:03:24,750 --> 01:03:22,750
I saw the planes I figured out very

1219
01:03:26,970 --> 01:03:24,760
quickly from reading the papers and

1220
01:03:28,140 --> 01:03:26,980
talking to people just how many planes

1221
01:03:30,030 --> 01:03:28,150
would have been involved because they've

1222
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:30,040
been it's been going on for a year when

1223
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:33,970
I was there and it was so therefore

1224
01:03:43,530 --> 01:03:38,490
whatever was being done was gigantic and

1225
01:03:47,010 --> 01:03:43,540
it ain't there so it is there when we

1226
01:03:48,690 --> 01:03:47,020
can see it and I want to I want to talk

1227
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:48,700
about abductions too

1228
01:03:56,339 --> 01:03:53,680
this is something that has always as you

1229
01:03:59,010 --> 01:03:56,349
know it's been there it's been discussed

1230
01:04:03,030 --> 01:03:59,020
but it's never really been out front of

1231
01:04:05,490 --> 01:04:03,040
course Travis Walton and and his his his

1232
01:04:09,180 --> 01:04:05,500
case but going back to Betty and Barney

1233
01:04:14,220 --> 01:04:09,190
Hill of course you and communion

1234
01:04:17,069 --> 01:04:14,230
although you weren't officially do you

1235
01:04:19,130 --> 01:04:17,079
put yourselves abducted mama do you put

1236
01:04:21,450 --> 01:04:19,140
yourself in that category

1237
01:04:25,559 --> 01:04:21,460
anywhere else I mean I wake up in the

1238
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:25,569
middle of the night with in a room full

1239
01:04:30,329 --> 01:04:28,240
of aliens it's not my bedroom I didn't

1240
01:04:32,730 --> 01:04:30,339
go there nobody took me I mean nobody

1241
01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:32,740
nobody said oh come with us right so I

1242
01:04:39,470 --> 01:04:37,089
was kidnapped and today if we look at

1243
01:04:45,510 --> 01:04:39,480
the numbers and and the recent polling

1244
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:45,520
that that has gone down where where are

1245
01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:48,569
we on the abduction side of things is

1246
01:04:55,530 --> 01:04:52,240
this something that the government knows

1247
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:55,540
about doesn't know about and when we are

1248
01:04:59,550 --> 01:04:56,770
dealing with

1249
01:05:03,840 --> 01:04:59,560
millions of people around the world with

1250
01:05:07,170 --> 01:05:03,850
these same experiences whether it's it's

1251
01:05:08,580 --> 01:05:07,180
it's missing time or missing from their

1252
01:05:11,460 --> 01:05:08,590
own home

1253
01:05:15,030 --> 01:05:11,470
that this is something that has to be

1254
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:15,040
dealt with where are we today it seems

1255
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:17,050
like now it's okay to talk about

1256
01:05:22,500 --> 01:05:19,330
abductions and more people are coming

1257
01:05:24,780 --> 01:05:22,510
forward people are beginning to be able

1258
01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:24,790
to talk about this because it's a very

1259
01:05:28,170 --> 01:05:27,280
scary thing somebody is here from

1260
01:05:30,870 --> 01:05:28,180
somewhere else

1261
01:05:33,690 --> 01:05:30,880
they're pretty fierce pretty scary and

1262
01:05:35,100 --> 01:05:33,700
very powerful and they are grabbing us

1263
01:05:37,230 --> 01:05:35,110
out of our bedrooms in the middle of the

1264
01:05:40,500 --> 01:05:37,240
night and screwing with us in weird ways

1265
01:05:42,810 --> 01:05:40,510
and hopefully sending us back but that's

1266
01:05:44,930 --> 01:05:42,820
not entire no one's absolutely certain

1267
01:05:48,510 --> 01:05:44,940
of that that happens that way every time

1268
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:48,520
so that's that's scary it's scary it's

1269
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:51,490
very scary and talking about it though

1270
01:05:57,270 --> 01:05:54,730
look the the major media right now is

1271
01:06:00,000 --> 01:05:57,280
talking about the you ApS that they're

1272
01:06:02,390 --> 01:06:00,010
not calling you you ApS I mean you know

1273
01:06:06,270 --> 01:06:02,400
I'm going back to flying saucers I'm

1274
01:06:08,580 --> 01:06:06,280
forget UFOs and you IPS they're flying

1275
01:06:10,650 --> 01:06:08,590
saucers that's what they are that's what

1276
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:10,660
they've always been let's face it then

1277
01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:14,170
in any case they're talking about all

1278
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:16,720
that no one ever talks about what's

1279
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:18,810
coming out of them and what's happening

1280
01:06:26,580 --> 01:06:23,530
but look at Rice University right now

1281
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:26,590
the entire communion letters archive

1282
01:06:32,580 --> 01:06:29,530
that Anne saved thousands of letters is

1283
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:32,590
they're being archived and catalogued

1284
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:38,410
and that material has to be addressed at

1285
01:06:43,770 --> 01:06:42,130
some point but the this has got to be

1286
01:06:46,350 --> 01:06:43,780
another big reason for the secrecy I

1287
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:46,360
don't think the government can do one

1288
01:06:54,270 --> 01:06:51,210
damn thing about it nothing at all I

1289
01:06:59,190 --> 01:06:54,280
think that the government is helpless

1290
01:07:02,370 --> 01:06:59,200
and what are we gonna do say yes there

1291
01:07:03,870 --> 01:07:02,380
are aliens here and they come into your

1292
01:07:05,970 --> 01:07:03,880
bedrooms and into your children's

1293
01:07:07,890 --> 01:07:05,980
bedrooms all the time and do weird

1294
01:07:10,620 --> 01:07:07,900
things to you that nobody understands

1295
01:07:13,829 --> 01:07:10,630
and we can't do a thing about it

1296
01:07:16,279 --> 01:07:13,839
have a nice day haha I don't think

1297
01:07:20,730 --> 01:07:16,289
they're gonna say that I think they will

1298
01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:20,740
die die die before they say that

1299
01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:23,049
disclosure is not going to happen from

1300
01:07:26,849 --> 01:07:25,119
us it's going to happen from the other

1301
01:07:28,980 --> 01:07:26,859
direction the visitors are gonna be the

1302
01:07:34,730 --> 01:07:28,990
ones who disclose and that's going to

1303
01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:34,740
happen when we can take it not before

1304
01:07:44,910 --> 01:07:40,799
the are you surprised with all of the

1305
01:07:47,339 --> 01:07:44,920
coverage in the mainstream media I mean

1306
01:07:50,099 --> 01:07:47,349
we can't ask for more right now right

1307
01:07:53,249 --> 01:07:50,109
they've been doing a pretty good job in

1308
01:07:55,950 --> 01:07:53,259
covering the UFO question right now but

1309
01:07:58,890 --> 01:07:55,960
the world hasn't collapsed right you

1310
01:08:01,620 --> 01:07:58,900
brought up entropy earlier right we and

1311
01:08:05,279 --> 01:08:01,630
yet has elapsed yet we haven't

1312
01:08:08,130 --> 01:08:05,289
completely fallen apart not yet but you

1313
01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:08,140
know what I was just talking about is a

1314
01:08:11,309 --> 01:08:10,000
serious thing and there's deeper stuff

1315
01:08:12,749 --> 01:08:11,319
there that hasn't been revealed that I

1316
01:08:15,690 --> 01:08:12,759
don't have any intention of talking

1317
01:08:18,570 --> 01:08:15,700
about because I can't prove it but I

1318
01:08:20,220 --> 01:08:18,580
think that it could be that there's a

1319
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:20,230
lot of stuff here that's really scary

1320
01:08:25,349 --> 01:08:22,960
and that the government is not in

1321
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:25,359
control of it and that they're not going

1322
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:27,250
to reveal it because of until they

1323
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:29,650
absolutely have to and then when they do

1324
01:08:33,390 --> 01:08:31,330
finally reveal it people are going to be

1325
01:08:37,530 --> 01:08:33,400
terrified I'm very afraid that's going

1326
01:08:41,459 --> 01:08:37,540
to be the case why hasn't the religion

1327
01:08:45,149 --> 01:08:41,469
aspect of this is there and you look at

1328
01:08:50,220 --> 01:08:45,159
the size of Christianity on this planet

1329
01:08:54,570 --> 01:08:50,230
in Islam and and other religions the the

1330
01:08:57,180 --> 01:08:54,580
official stance hasn't been taken from

1331
01:08:59,849 --> 01:08:57,190
any of the large religions around the

1332
01:09:02,910 --> 01:08:59,859
world and that part I've been waiting

1333
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:02,920
for - I don't quite understand the

1334
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:06,130
silence there when they they read the

1335
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:09,370
papers that right they watch CNN and and

1336
01:09:15,300 --> 01:09:11,770
Fox News they understand what's going on

1337
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:15,310
right now and there has been a definite

1338
01:09:20,820 --> 01:09:18,000
silence but I haven't also seen

1339
01:09:23,610 --> 01:09:20,830
religions collapse and I find that

1340
01:09:24,860 --> 01:09:23,620
interesting - it seems to be stable I

1341
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:24,870
don't see

1342
01:09:35,250 --> 01:09:32,770
or the entropy because people don't know

1343
01:09:36,450 --> 01:09:35,260
enough yet they'll they'll figure it out

1344
01:09:40,910 --> 01:09:36,460
eventually and then it'll all come

1345
01:09:43,650 --> 01:09:40,920
unglued probably I would think I'm not a

1346
01:09:47,539 --> 01:09:43,660
I'm not very optimistic about all that

1347
01:09:50,039 --> 01:09:47,549
stuff I I don't think that I think that

1348
01:09:53,490 --> 01:09:50,049
this we don't know what we're dealing

1349
01:09:55,850 --> 01:09:53,500
with yet and those of us who do deal

1350
01:10:00,200 --> 01:09:55,860
with it have a very hard time it's rough

1351
01:10:04,710 --> 01:10:00,210
I've had a hard time for many years and

1352
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:04,720
I I don't now now it's great it's

1353
01:10:09,660 --> 01:10:06,250
wonderful it's the best thing that ever

1354
01:10:12,300 --> 01:10:09,670
happened to me but at first it was

1355
01:10:14,340 --> 01:10:12,310
really hard and that's why this book is

1356
01:10:16,380 --> 01:10:14,350
I'm writing this book and I'm trying to

1357
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:16,390
get it out as fast as I can because it

1358
01:10:22,410 --> 01:10:20,130
chronicles how that occurred and

1359
01:10:24,900 --> 01:10:22,420
nobody's eating me I mean I've been here

1360
01:10:28,350 --> 01:10:24,910
been with them in my life for 30 years

1361
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:28,360
I've slept in and listened it just last

1362
01:10:33,660 --> 01:10:30,370
February I was alone in a house in the

1363
01:10:36,270 --> 01:10:33,670
country with them absolutely no one near

1364
01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:36,280
no one could help me I couldn't get away

1365
01:10:42,870 --> 01:10:39,490
and I wasn't scared at all and it was a

1366
01:10:44,790 --> 01:10:42,880
good meeting a very important meeting it

1367
01:10:46,410 --> 01:10:44,800
wasn't like we sat down at a table

1368
01:10:48,750 --> 01:10:46,420
because that's not how this works

1369
01:10:52,290 --> 01:10:48,760
they're not ever going to be sitting

1370
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:52,300
down to the table but it was really

1371
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:54,850
informative and really helpful and it

1372
01:10:59,610 --> 01:10:57,250
helped me tremendously with the book was

1373
01:11:03,120 --> 01:10:59,620
it so that was it physical was it

1374
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:03,130
physical yeah to a degree but they they

1375
01:11:08,850 --> 01:11:06,010
won't when I say to a degree I could

1376
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:08,860
hear them I could see them to some

1377
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:09,280
extent

1378
01:11:14,670 --> 01:11:12,370
I could smell them and but what I

1379
01:11:19,020 --> 01:11:14,680
couldn't do was come face to face with

1380
01:11:21,210 --> 01:11:19,030
them and that is rare in my life and you

1381
01:11:23,220 --> 01:11:21,220
know I tell you another thing that

1382
01:11:26,580 --> 01:11:23,230
happens and give you an idea of why this

1383
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:26,590
is like this I was at the Esalen

1384
01:11:31,770 --> 01:11:29,290
Institute in Northern California which

1385
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:31,780
where there are meetings held private

1386
01:11:37,779 --> 01:11:34,810
meetings from time to time that discuss

1387
01:11:40,770 --> 01:11:37,789
this stuff and my co-author of

1388
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:40,780
supernatural Jeff Krol was there and

1389
01:11:46,180 --> 01:11:44,449
people are always sort of eager kind of

1390
01:11:48,069 --> 01:11:46,190
scared to stay in the room with me

1391
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:48,079
because we double up in in this thing

1392
01:11:53,950 --> 01:11:50,210
because very often the visitors will

1393
01:11:57,220 --> 01:11:53,960
show up well if been there and yeah it

1394
01:12:00,819 --> 01:11:57,230
can be it can be very intimidating and

1395
01:12:04,060 --> 01:12:00,829
so if what happened was this in the

1396
01:12:09,029 --> 01:12:04,070
middle of the night one of them shows up

1397
01:12:11,169 --> 01:12:09,039
in the room I am lying facing a window

1398
01:12:13,540 --> 01:12:11,179
but to make it easier for them to come

1399
01:12:16,020 --> 01:12:13,550
to me because they're gonna be really

1400
01:12:21,850 --> 01:12:16,030
shy when someone else is in the room and

1401
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:21,860
I'm facing the window it blows my head

1402
01:12:26,049 --> 01:12:23,840
is to the right facing the window it

1403
01:12:28,660 --> 01:12:26,059
blows on my left hand the back of my

1404
01:12:31,450 --> 01:12:28,670
left hand and I immediately turned my

1405
01:12:34,209 --> 01:12:31,460
head away from it as I turned my head

1406
01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:34,219
away from it I see it for just a second

1407
01:12:45,689 --> 01:12:39,760
and it is absolutely devastating Jeff

1408
01:12:49,810 --> 01:12:45,699
doesn't see it but he hears like a

1409
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:49,820
cascading something crashing down like

1410
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:52,400
everything is falling apart and this is

1411
01:12:58,299 --> 01:12:55,250
his unconscious reacting to the to the

1412
01:13:01,779 --> 01:12:58,309
power of this presence and he hears his

1413
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:01,789
voice a voice that is his voice inside

1414
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:05,840
himself say oh my god and he feels like

1415
01:13:11,549 --> 01:13:08,449
the whole world is collapsing around him

1416
01:13:16,529 --> 01:13:11,559
hmm now let me explain why this is

1417
01:13:19,930 --> 01:13:16,539
here's why it is they have a different

1418
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:19,940
completely different vision of reality

1419
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:23,510
than we do they don't see a narrow

1420
01:13:31,779 --> 01:13:27,250
spectrum of time like we do they see a

1421
01:13:35,109 --> 01:13:31,789
whole wide spectrum of time if we lose

1422
01:13:37,689 --> 01:13:35,119
that narrow spectrum of time our reason

1423
01:13:39,339 --> 01:13:37,699
for existence is over because I know

1424
01:13:41,529 --> 01:13:39,349
people don't think about their souls

1425
01:13:43,060 --> 01:13:41,539
we're soul we've been anesthetized to

1426
01:13:45,069 --> 01:13:43,070
the soul we've gone solve line because

1427
01:13:47,709 --> 01:13:45,079
of all the material in the world but

1428
01:13:50,229 --> 01:13:47,719
it's still the only thing about us that

1429
01:13:52,300 --> 01:13:50,239
really matters and it is the only thing

1430
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:52,310
about us they're actually in

1431
01:13:58,540 --> 01:13:55,730
but in any case if you don't have a

1432
01:14:04,150 --> 01:13:58,550
continuous flow of spontaneous

1433
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:04,160
experience your soul can't grow here and

1434
01:14:14,250 --> 01:14:08,930
your life is worthless they showed me

1435
01:14:17,260 --> 01:14:14,260
what this meant a couple of years ago I

1436
01:14:19,300 --> 01:14:17,270
had figured this out and I was sitting I

1437
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:19,310
do these meditations at 3 o'clock in the

1438
01:14:24,130 --> 01:14:20,570
morning and it can be very productive

1439
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:24,140
and I said I know this is true I want to

1440
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:28,880
know what it's like and all of a sudden

1441
01:14:33,190 --> 01:14:31,760
there was a big crack in the room which

1442
01:14:37,660 --> 01:14:33,200
is always a signal that they have

1443
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:37,670
arrived and I didn't see anyone but I

1444
01:14:42,700 --> 01:14:41,360
became like robotic I knew everything

1445
01:14:45,010 --> 01:14:42,710
that would happen for the next few

1446
01:14:47,380 --> 01:14:45,020
minutes it would and it wasn't like oh

1447
01:14:50,620 --> 01:14:47,390
he knows the future how cool

1448
01:14:55,900 --> 01:14:50,630
it was horrifying it was like being a

1449
01:14:58,810 --> 01:14:55,910
robot and then it was over and I thought

1450
01:15:01,180 --> 01:14:58,820
to myself no wonder we're scared of this

1451
01:15:05,350 --> 01:15:01,190
because this is like the end of your

1452
01:15:08,650 --> 01:15:05,360
life it's worse than death to lose your

1453
01:15:11,170 --> 01:15:08,660
spontaneity in your will and we may not

1454
01:15:14,110 --> 01:15:11,180
have free will we may not actually be

1455
01:15:18,090 --> 01:15:14,120
spontaneous but because that's how we

1456
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:18,100
feel and that's how life feels to us it

1457
01:15:24,910 --> 01:15:21,650
impacts our souls in the most wonderful

1458
01:15:28,690 --> 01:15:24,920
way it's a wonderful thing to be the way

1459
01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:28,700
we are and to have to be like them it's

1460
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:31,040
no wonder they're here they would like

1461
01:15:36,570 --> 01:15:33,170
to live inside us and with us and

1462
01:15:41,650 --> 01:15:36,580
experience this exquisite sweetness -

1463
01:15:46,750 --> 01:15:41,660
did they evolve did they go through the

1464
01:15:49,710 --> 01:15:46,760
same experiences that we have here right

1465
01:15:52,150 --> 01:15:49,720
I did did they evolve the very same way

1466
01:15:54,490 --> 01:15:52,160
you take one look at him and you think

1467
01:16:01,120 --> 01:15:54,500
to yourself oh that's somebody with a

1468
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:01,130
history I had some of the dark blue guys

1469
01:16:05,290 --> 01:16:03,890
show up in my condo in Texas in San

1470
01:16:10,450 --> 01:16:05,300
Antonio

1471
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:10,460
probably in 98 or 99 nice we're still

1472
01:16:17,230 --> 01:16:14,570
living in that condo then and aha

1473
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:17,240
they were there in their little dark

1474
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:20,930
blue uniforms and and and I they were

1475
01:16:26,380 --> 01:16:22,730
three of them in the line in the living

1476
01:16:29,530 --> 01:16:26,390
room and I sat in front of them and was

1477
01:16:31,990 --> 01:16:29,540
gonna meditate with them I looked at

1478
01:16:33,490 --> 01:16:32,000
these faces and I said you have a

1479
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:33,500
history that's for sure

1480
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:42,730
and they looked at me with uh like uh

1481
01:16:50,050 --> 01:16:47,090
like right through me like I'm you by

1482
01:16:54,940 --> 01:16:50,060
their faces that they had a history but

1483
01:16:58,330 --> 01:16:54,950
they knew me and my history all the way

1484
01:17:01,600 --> 01:16:58,340
back to wherever it begins better than I

1485
01:17:04,420 --> 01:17:01,610
did and I felt that I felt that from my

1486
01:17:06,910 --> 01:17:04,430
core and it was hard to keep my eyes

1487
01:17:08,890 --> 01:17:06,920
open then I'm telling you and this is

1488
01:17:10,330 --> 01:17:08,900
another reason no one expects this they

1489
01:17:12,540 --> 01:17:10,340
don't expect it will be like this they

1490
01:17:16,210 --> 01:17:12,550
think of all the white house along and

1491
01:17:18,370 --> 01:17:16,220
handing you know cool super cool cell

1492
01:17:22,300 --> 01:17:18,380
phones that you can eat or whatever the

1493
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:22,310
hell they think wonderful stories all of

1494
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:24,170
it's so fascinating and with a nice

1495
01:17:26,700 --> 01:17:25,730
modicum of fear to make it more

1496
01:17:29,650 --> 01:17:26,710
interesting

1497
01:17:31,180 --> 01:17:29,660
man this is the change of the world this

1498
01:17:34,900 --> 01:17:31,190
is the change of everything that's

1499
01:17:37,780 --> 01:17:34,910
coming this has change pure total

1500
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:37,790
complete change and I'll tell you how to

1501
01:17:44,260 --> 01:17:41,330
sum it up and very simply mankind is

1502
01:17:46,990 --> 01:17:44,270
becoming conscious back in the day I

1503
01:17:49,330 --> 01:17:47,000
said this is what evolution looks like

1504
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:49,340
when it's applied to a conscious mind

1505
01:17:53,020 --> 01:17:50,930
and you're right about Darwin he didn't

1506
01:17:55,570 --> 01:17:53,030
know much about evolution but he did

1507
01:17:58,360 --> 01:17:55,580
know this that it means change and

1508
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:58,370
that's what's coming and that's exactly

1509
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:00,320
what's happening to the human mind the

1510
01:18:05,380 --> 01:18:02,810
human mind is about to explode and it's

1511
01:18:07,780 --> 01:18:05,390
gonna be hard but in the end it's also

1512
01:18:12,580 --> 01:18:07,790
going to be wonderful because it is a

1513
01:18:15,310 --> 01:18:12,590
new future for us did past civilizations

1514
01:18:18,469 --> 01:18:15,320
not reverencing et I'm going back to

1515
01:18:23,540 --> 01:18:18,479
like the Sumerians and the Egyptians

1516
01:18:27,709 --> 01:18:23,550
5,000 years ago where before amnesia set

1517
01:18:29,629 --> 01:18:27,719
in right for us did they understand what

1518
01:18:33,770 --> 01:18:29,639
the soul was did they understand the

1519
01:18:36,259 --> 01:18:33,780
power of of us and being individuals you

1520
01:18:37,850 --> 01:18:36,269
know did they have a full grasp of that

1521
01:18:41,209 --> 01:18:37,860
and then somewhere along the line we

1522
01:18:43,819 --> 01:18:41,219
just let it go with materialism the

1523
01:18:46,969 --> 01:18:43,829
earliest the earliest religious document

1524
01:18:50,750 --> 01:18:46,979
in the world is the Pyramid Texts in the

1525
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:50,760
pyramid of unas in Egypt huh a wonderful

1526
01:18:53,870 --> 01:18:51,840
like I don't know if you've been to

1527
01:18:57,439 --> 01:18:53,880
Egypt if you haven't been in there then

1528
01:19:02,959 --> 01:18:57,449
you know it is an incredible intricate

1529
01:19:05,419 --> 01:19:02,969
vast hieroglyph painted all around and

1530
01:19:08,509 --> 01:19:05,429
carved all around the walls of this -

1531
01:19:10,339 --> 01:19:08,519
this pyramid and you go you see that and

1532
01:19:12,529 --> 01:19:10,349
you think to yourself now I've never

1533
01:19:14,629 --> 01:19:12,539
been there but I've seen very very good

1534
01:19:16,429 --> 01:19:14,639
pictures of it I I don't travel well

1535
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:16,439
especially not in third-world countries

1536
01:19:23,149 --> 01:19:18,719
so I've never been able to get myself to

1537
01:19:26,830 --> 01:19:23,159
go to Egypt anyway I wish I could I

1538
01:19:31,659 --> 01:19:26,840
should but it is an absolutely

1539
01:19:36,770 --> 01:19:31,669
incredibly intricate intricate intricate

1540
01:19:39,679 --> 01:19:36,780
hieroglyph highly sophisticated created

1541
01:19:41,959 --> 01:19:39,689
by a very sophisticated mind and people

1542
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:41,969
who think oh well that was the old days

1543
01:19:46,489 --> 01:19:43,650
they were really you know just a bunch

1544
01:19:51,259 --> 01:19:46,499
of slopeheads and forget it they were

1545
01:19:56,179 --> 01:19:51,269
highly brilliant people okay in that

1546
01:19:59,359 --> 01:19:56,189
text there is a there are a series of

1547
01:20:02,299 --> 01:19:59,369
hieroglyphs about the spine and about

1548
01:20:05,989 --> 01:20:02,309
the seven which is referred to as a

1549
01:20:11,620 --> 01:20:05,999
serpent and about the seven smaller

1550
01:20:16,839 --> 01:20:11,630
serpents that surrounded and that feed

1551
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:16,849
in impressions from gathered by the body

1552
01:20:22,219 --> 01:20:20,610
into the spine and therefore into the

1553
01:20:28,069 --> 01:20:22,229
second body or what we would call the

1554
01:20:30,220 --> 01:20:28,079
soul seven and they are called taw

1555
01:20:32,740 --> 01:20:30,230
knitter now

1556
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:32,750
any scholar of Tantra will say oh well

1557
01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:35,810
it didn't start way back then yes it did

1558
01:20:41,740 --> 01:20:37,280
we just forgot

1559
01:20:44,620 --> 01:20:41,750
they knew way back then because I am

1560
01:20:47,590 --> 01:20:44,630
talking to you not about a religion at

1561
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:47,600
all I am talking to you about a science

1562
01:20:54,850 --> 01:20:50,690
of the soul and the way it relates to

1563
01:20:57,820 --> 01:20:54,860
the body and the way impressions come in

1564
01:21:03,910 --> 01:20:57,830
and if you look at the laws of Mott ma

1565
01:21:06,310 --> 01:21:03,920
80 you will see 42 different laws which

1566
01:21:09,820 --> 01:21:06,320
are all designed to take you in the same

1567
01:21:12,790 --> 01:21:09,830
place to let you live a good life and

1568
01:21:15,220 --> 01:21:12,800
die without regrets because then when

1569
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:15,230
your weight and we are all weighed we

1570
01:21:19,270 --> 01:21:17,600
weigh ourselves when we die so I'd

1571
01:21:24,550 --> 01:21:19,280
happen with a knee

1572
01:21:27,310 --> 01:21:24,560
it is literally how light are you how

1573
01:21:30,130 --> 01:21:27,320
able are you to ascend and the fewer

1574
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:30,140
regrets you you have the more there is

1575
01:21:36,190 --> 01:21:33,770
for you in the next life and that's what

1576
01:21:38,260 --> 01:21:36,200
this whole thing is about it's what it's

1577
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:38,270
about we need to take so rake right here

1578
01:21:43,180 --> 01:21:40,970
hold on Whitley stay right there we'll

1579
01:21:45,010 --> 01:21:43,190
pick this up when we come back awesome

1580
01:21:46,990 --> 01:21:45,020
conversation tonight Whitley Strieber is

1581
01:21:51,250 --> 01:21:47,000
our guest our meals tribute church this

1582
01:21:51,260 --> 01:22:01,550
[Music]

1583
01:22:05,010 --> 01:22:03,720
welcome back fade to black coming up to

1584
01:22:07,070 --> 01:22:05,020
me Church I guess tonight Whitley

1585
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:07,080
Strieber tomorrow night Nick Redfern

1586
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:10,480
Wednesday night Richard Dolan Thursday

1587
01:22:13,550 --> 01:22:12,370
night Fator night open lines all night

1588
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:13,560
long

1589
01:22:18,090 --> 01:22:15,970
Titans Whitley Strieber and Whitley

1590
01:22:20,010 --> 01:22:18,100
right before the break you know talking

1591
01:22:20,910 --> 01:22:20,020
about the Pyramid Texts and I totally

1592
01:22:25,470 --> 01:22:20,920
agree with you

1593
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:25,480
complex incredible I have to what's your

1594
01:22:34,110 --> 01:22:30,130
opinion of how it is possible that a

1595
01:22:36,750 --> 01:22:34,120
civilization like not only the Egyptians

1596
01:22:39,990 --> 01:22:36,760
at 3,000 BC but certainly the Sumerian

1597
01:22:42,750 --> 01:22:40,000
culture too over Mesopotamia at the very

1598
01:22:46,530 --> 01:22:42,760
same time suddenly rose out of nowhere

1599
01:22:48,660 --> 01:22:46,540
perfectly upright with everything right

1600
01:22:51,650 --> 01:22:48,670
science and agriculture government

1601
01:22:55,610 --> 01:22:51,660
religion music schools roads

1602
01:22:58,770 --> 01:22:55,620
infrastructure knowledge the cosmos math

1603
01:23:01,500 --> 01:22:58,780
right they were completely upright and

1604
01:23:04,620 --> 01:23:01,510
functional and then of course entropy

1605
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:04,630
kicked in everything unraveled but how

1606
01:23:09,150 --> 01:23:07,690
is that possible that a civilization can

1607
01:23:14,220 --> 01:23:09,160
rise out of the desert like that

1608
01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:14,230
complete well probably because that's

1609
01:23:24,540 --> 01:23:21,450
not what happened the there is something

1610
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:24,550
wrong with the conventional

1611
01:23:31,890 --> 01:23:27,610
understanding of the past something

1612
01:23:34,440 --> 01:23:31,900
wrong and your listeners must know just

1613
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:34,450
like I do that if you go around the

1614
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:38,170
world you look at and mohenjo-daro if

1615
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:42,610
you look at the the things that Graham

1616
01:23:49,890 --> 01:23:44,890
Hancock found under the ocean around

1617
01:23:55,100 --> 01:23:49,900
Japan if you look at that I say Mahindra

1618
01:23:59,460 --> 01:23:55,110
Dharma now I'm a doll if you look at the

1619
01:24:02,700 --> 01:23:59,470
huge at the what went on it sucks a

1620
01:24:05,100 --> 01:24:02,710
womman is what's left there in Peru if

1621
01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:05,110
you look at the platform at Baalbek at

1622
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:07,840
the Great Pyramid it's so many different

1623
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:11,920
things in this world what you see

1624
01:24:21,330 --> 01:24:17,610
is the remains of a highly capable

1625
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:21,340
engineering that we can't do now in fact

1626
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:24,610
and that's inescapable we can pretend

1627
01:24:30,330 --> 01:24:27,250
it's not true but pretending something

1628
01:24:34,410 --> 01:24:30,340
isn't true has nothing to do whatsoever

1629
01:24:36,990 --> 01:24:34,420
with science science is facing the

1630
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:37,000
unknown and that's what's not happening

1631
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:39,370
in the conventional scientific community

1632
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:43,570
with regard to the past and there here's

1633
01:24:52,189 --> 01:24:47,199
another thing there's a website out

1634
01:24:55,620 --> 01:24:52,199
there called I think it's a geodesy

1635
01:24:58,740 --> 01:24:55,630
website I let me as we talk I'll look at

1636
01:25:02,040 --> 01:24:58,750
my links in my on my website and see if

1637
01:25:05,130 --> 01:25:02,050
I can find it anyway on this website it

1638
01:25:08,700 --> 01:25:05,140
shows that there is a geodesic line

1639
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:08,710
around the world that connects over a

1640
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:12,850
dozen ancient sacred sites only this

1641
01:25:22,380 --> 01:25:17,650
line doesn't point at the physical North

1642
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:22,390
Pole and in the past such sites were

1643
01:25:30,959 --> 01:25:26,890
usually oriented toward the pole or the

1644
01:25:32,430 --> 01:25:30,969
pole star it points 1,000 I think it's

1645
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:32,440
one thousand four hundred fifty miles

1646
01:25:38,100 --> 01:25:35,650
west of that meaning that at some point

1647
01:25:42,689 --> 01:25:38,110
in the distant past that's where the

1648
01:25:45,660 --> 01:25:42,699
pole actually probably was and if there

1649
01:25:46,700 --> 01:25:45,670
is such a thing as crustal shift and I

1650
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:46,710
think there's a very good possibility

1651
01:25:51,570 --> 01:25:50,170
that that is true and I mean we're gonna

1652
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:51,580
talk in a second of it if you want to

1653
01:25:59,450 --> 01:25:56,290
about why it probably happens then it is

1654
01:26:02,610 --> 01:25:59,460
deep so deep that it doesn't change the

1655
01:26:05,459 --> 01:26:02,620
geology of the surface but it changes

1656
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:05,469
the position of everything and causes

1657
01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:09,250
the the oceans to really really get very

1658
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:15,520
very dangerous for a while and I think

1659
01:26:23,970 --> 01:26:18,250
if something like that happened in the

1660
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:23,980
distant past then it could be that a

1661
01:26:29,610 --> 01:26:25,810
great civilization that had

1662
01:26:31,740 --> 01:26:29,620
entirely different way of addressing

1663
01:26:33,570 --> 01:26:31,750
reality and a different an entirely

1664
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:33,580
different understanding of physics and

1665
01:26:41,370 --> 01:26:38,410
so forth was was destroyed leaving only

1666
01:26:46,550 --> 01:26:41,380
the things that were in the highlands at

1667
01:26:49,530 --> 01:26:46,560
the time so that could have happened and

1668
01:26:52,890 --> 01:26:49,540
why would it have happened it would have

1669
01:26:55,290 --> 01:26:52,900
happened because the weight of the of

1670
01:26:58,170 --> 01:26:55,300
the water on the surface changed

1671
01:27:01,080 --> 01:26:58,180
position when did that happen

1672
01:27:03,990 --> 01:27:01,090
the end of the last ice age when the

1673
01:27:06,450 --> 01:27:04,000
poles melted the glaciers melted and

1674
01:27:10,910 --> 01:27:06,460
suddenly all of that water which had

1675
01:27:16,340 --> 01:27:10,920
been trapped in the glaciers on the on

1676
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:16,350
the two poles was taken by currents down

1677
01:27:24,810 --> 01:27:21,690
into the mid latitudes until the the

1678
01:27:28,170 --> 01:27:24,820
planet literally shifted on its crust in

1679
01:27:33,860 --> 01:27:28,180
order to compensate for the change in

1680
01:27:38,070 --> 01:27:33,870
balance do you think that that there is

1681
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:38,080
a depository somewhere of this knowledge

1682
01:27:43,530 --> 01:27:41,410
of previous civilizations arriving real

1683
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:43,540
intelligent civilizations that could go

1684
01:27:48,300 --> 01:27:45,730
back you know whatever millions of years

1685
01:27:50,580 --> 01:27:48,310
you know tens of thousands of years and

1686
01:27:55,290 --> 01:27:50,590
I have no idea well but my question is

1687
01:27:58,650 --> 01:27:55,300
this is that the the dogma that we have

1688
01:28:01,410 --> 01:27:58,660
been living with through our educational

1689
01:28:04,470 --> 01:28:01,420
system that would be something as

1690
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:04,480
difficult to answer by world governments

1691
01:28:09,990 --> 01:28:07,690
and religions as much as the et question

1692
01:28:12,660 --> 01:28:10,000
would be and having an answer to that

1693
01:28:14,430 --> 01:28:12,670
too as well is that the interest in

1694
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:14,440
keeping all of this hidden because that

1695
01:28:19,140 --> 01:28:17,890
would keep they they know that and

1696
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:19,150
they're keeping it hidden because it

1697
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:21,610
leads inevitably to the revelation of

1698
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:24,130
the et presence sure I I but I mean I

1699
01:28:28,050 --> 01:28:26,410
would think that maybe that's part of

1700
01:28:31,650 --> 01:28:28,060
the reason there's so much weird stuff

1701
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:31,660
going on around Antarctica right now and

1702
01:28:34,650 --> 01:28:33,010
you know there's some Linda's keeps

1703
01:28:37,230 --> 01:28:34,660
finding these strange things you talked

1704
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:37,240
about that face and I said my truth

1705
01:28:42,820 --> 01:28:39,050
which is I don't know

1706
01:28:46,570 --> 01:28:42,830
but if it is there then what the heck is

1707
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:46,580
going on because that makes no sense it

1708
01:28:52,260 --> 01:28:48,410
reminds me of the face on Mars which

1709
01:28:57,460 --> 01:28:52,270
when dick Hoagland showed it to me in

1710
01:29:00,430 --> 01:28:57,470
September of 1985 in the apartment of

1711
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:00,440
Margot Adler and John Gladman in New

1712
01:29:05,710 --> 01:29:03,170
York City I stood there and looked at it

1713
01:29:12,390 --> 01:29:05,720
and I thought my god how extraordinary

1714
01:29:17,490 --> 01:29:12,400
and I arranged for Mark Carlotto

1715
01:29:21,550 --> 01:29:17,500
to do a study of that face he was a

1716
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:21,560
specialist in he worked for NASA at the

1717
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:24,530
NSA at the time as a contractor and he

1718
01:29:30,070 --> 01:29:27,730
was an imaging specialist with highly

1719
01:29:32,830 --> 01:29:30,080
developed equipment for that time in

1720
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:32,840
fact equipment that would sill be if it

1721
01:29:38,770 --> 01:29:35,210
was in the public sector probably pretty

1722
01:29:41,410 --> 01:29:38,780
advanced now for all I know anyway he

1723
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:41,420
proved very conclusively that the face

1724
01:29:53,350 --> 01:29:49,370
was a real thing but then we come to the

1725
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:53,360
closer flyby and lo and behold it looks

1726
01:29:59,350 --> 01:29:55,850
just like what NASA said it was a pile

1727
01:30:01,480 --> 01:29:59,360
of rocks and Mark immediately got he got

1728
01:30:04,180 --> 01:30:01,490
no publicity but he showed very clearly

1729
01:30:07,780 --> 01:30:04,190
how it had been changed

1730
01:30:09,610 --> 01:30:07,790
someone had changed it now what does

1731
01:30:11,170 --> 01:30:09,620
that tell you you'll be talking to

1732
01:30:13,870 --> 01:30:11,180
Richard Dolan tomorrow night why don't

1733
01:30:15,970 --> 01:30:13,880
you ask him that question is there a

1734
01:30:18,730 --> 01:30:15,980
breakaway civilization powerful enough

1735
01:30:22,530 --> 01:30:18,740
to be on Mars is there some truth in

1736
01:30:26,530 --> 01:30:22,540
that and if not then who changed it

1737
01:30:29,260 --> 01:30:26,540
because it was changed and now we go

1738
01:30:33,220 --> 01:30:29,270
back to the face in the Antarctic which

1739
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:33,230
looks eerily similar it does so what the

1740
01:30:40,150 --> 01:30:37,130
heck is all about why build these faces

1741
01:30:45,550 --> 01:30:40,160
in the first place what do they a mean

1742
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:45,560
if they are real what is the what mind

1743
01:30:54,980 --> 01:30:52,530
is behind them in other words

1744
01:30:58,250 --> 01:30:54,990
what kind of what why would that matter

1745
01:30:59,720 --> 01:30:58,260
so much to someone that they would build

1746
01:31:01,940 --> 01:30:59,730
something like that but that's for that

1747
01:31:04,790 --> 01:31:01,950
matter why would somebody build gobekli

1748
01:31:07,070 --> 01:31:04,800
tepe which it took probably over a

1749
01:31:10,820 --> 01:31:07,080
thousand years to build and then over a

1750
01:31:12,440 --> 01:31:10,830
thousand years to bury bury it yeah

1751
01:31:17,570 --> 01:31:12,450
because you look at this

1752
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:17,580
our civilization dates from about just

1753
01:31:22,610 --> 01:31:20,010
about 600 BC is when it really started

1754
01:31:25,370 --> 01:31:22,620
when Judaism became became organized

1755
01:31:28,130 --> 01:31:25,380
around a single God and the Greek

1756
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:28,140
intellectual world started up that's

1757
01:31:35,210 --> 01:31:29,570
kind of where we're from

1758
01:31:38,350 --> 01:31:35,220
so that's 2,600 years we have no project

1759
01:31:41,870 --> 01:31:38,360
in our civilization that has gone on

1760
01:31:44,480 --> 01:31:41,880
anywhere close to a thousand years or

1761
01:31:44,900 --> 01:31:44,490
even 500 years that's right we can't do

1762
01:31:48,290 --> 01:31:44,910
that

1763
01:31:51,380 --> 01:31:48,300
or look at look at Stonehenge stonehenge

1764
01:31:53,660 --> 01:31:51,390
took we know this and this is this is

1765
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:53,670
not speculative this is established

1766
01:32:01,100 --> 01:31:56,730
archaeology it took 500 years to build

1767
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:01,110
Stonehenge in other words the people who

1768
01:32:07,490 --> 01:32:03,890
worked on it were working on something

1769
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:07,500
that they themselves couldn't even I

1770
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:09,810
mean who were your ancestors 500 years

1771
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:12,210
ago do you have any idea no the answer

1772
01:32:24,350 --> 01:32:16,530
is you don't you don't but they kept at

1773
01:32:27,890 --> 01:32:24,360
it with a single goal for 500 years now

1774
01:32:34,210 --> 01:32:27,900
those are powerful civilisations they

1775
01:32:36,980 --> 01:32:34,220
may not have SUVs and skyscrapers but a

1776
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:36,990
civilization is something that lives not

1777
01:32:41,870 --> 01:32:39,210
in the in the world only in the world

1778
01:32:43,550 --> 01:32:41,880
around us it lives in the mind and the

1779
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:43,560
civilization that lived in those

1780
01:32:47,570 --> 01:32:47,010
people's minds was far more powerful in

1781
01:32:53,180 --> 01:32:47,580
ours

1782
01:32:54,650 --> 01:32:53,190
far more how many man I hate to do this

1783
01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:54,660
to you but we're gonna be going to

1784
01:32:59,780 --> 01:32:57,210
overtime tonight Whitley so just pour

1785
01:33:03,200 --> 01:32:59,790
another cup of coffee we're not anywhere

1786
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:03,210
close to wrapping this conversation you

1787
01:33:08,340 --> 01:33:05,290
told me two hours man

1788
01:33:12,450 --> 01:33:08,350
oh man okay I'll go an extra half-hour

1789
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:12,460
but I'm I'm old I'm an old fart you're

1790
01:33:17,250 --> 01:33:14,770
not old you're not old that's yet that's

1791
01:33:19,980 --> 01:33:17,260
it we've got a lot to do not not not in

1792
01:33:23,730 --> 01:33:19,990
not in the places that count we've got a

1793
01:33:26,850 --> 01:33:23,740
lot to do yet in this life too much more

1794
01:33:31,950 --> 01:33:26,860
to discover is is this somebody just

1795
01:33:36,150 --> 01:33:31,960
posted up here have Jimmy have you told

1796
01:33:39,660 --> 01:33:36,160
Whitley about your your visit that you

1797
01:33:41,670 --> 01:33:39,670
had and I don't believe that I have now

1798
01:33:43,650 --> 01:33:41,680
I'm gonna make this very brief because I

1799
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:43,660
need to get to the other side of this

1800
01:33:50,580 --> 01:33:46,930
this visitation with you but back in

1801
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:50,590
1995 I'm living by myself

1802
01:33:56,130 --> 01:33:53,530
in Sherman Oaks California got a condo

1803
01:34:00,990 --> 01:33:56,140
south of the boulevard you know the area

1804
01:34:05,190 --> 01:34:01,000
and three o'clock in the morning I wake

1805
01:34:09,060 --> 01:34:05,200
up I I think there's a burglar okay

1806
01:34:10,850 --> 01:34:09,070
that's what I think is going on I'm not

1807
01:34:16,140 --> 01:34:10,860
going to get into the details of

1808
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:16,150
everything but I look down at the foot

1809
01:34:21,750 --> 01:34:19,210
of my bed and there was a sliding glass

1810
01:34:25,050 --> 01:34:21,760
doors in my bedroom that went out to the

1811
01:34:28,730 --> 01:34:25,060
balcony and the the blinds were open so

1812
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:28,740
the star lights kind of coming in and

1813
01:34:36,060 --> 01:34:31,330
standing in front of the sliding glass

1814
01:34:41,010 --> 01:34:36,070
doors to my right is a dude and he's

1815
01:34:43,110 --> 01:34:41,020
he's about about four feet tall not

1816
01:34:45,420 --> 01:34:43,120
short not at all about four feet tall

1817
01:34:47,690 --> 01:34:45,430
but we have a staredown that goes down

1818
01:34:50,790 --> 01:34:47,700
for about 15 minutes

1819
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:50,800
blinking eyes this thing and I was

1820
01:34:56,130 --> 01:34:54,010
pretty angry right well I was waiting I

1821
01:34:59,490 --> 01:34:56,140
wanted some butt kicking to go down but

1822
01:35:02,790 --> 01:34:59,500
I couldn't move the end of the this is

1823
01:35:08,030 --> 01:35:02,800
this is what happened eventually

1824
01:35:11,580 --> 01:35:08,040
I can I can move and I turn on my lamp

1825
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:11,590
to my left and I spin around for some

1826
01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:14,530
Bruce Lee action right that's what was

1827
01:35:22,340 --> 01:35:17,520
that's what I anticipate and he's gone

1828
01:35:25,310 --> 01:35:22,350
and now this experience that I'm

1829
01:35:26,480 --> 01:35:25,320
relaying to you is one thing and I want

1830
01:35:30,440 --> 01:35:26,490
your opinion on that

1831
01:35:32,180 --> 01:35:30,450
because later many years later I slept

1832
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:32,190
with the lights on for 10 years after

1833
01:35:39,710 --> 01:35:35,130
that and the TV by the way many years

1834
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:39,720
later I heard you talk about the blue

1835
01:35:49,340 --> 01:35:45,770
guys and that you laid out this idea

1836
01:35:54,170 --> 01:35:49,350
about possibly them being from the other

1837
01:35:57,800 --> 01:35:54,180
side and maybe even death or there could

1838
01:36:00,140 --> 01:35:57,810
be I'm paraphrasing here because you're

1839
01:36:02,630 --> 01:36:00,150
very detailed in that but with my

1840
01:36:04,670 --> 01:36:02,640
experience that I just told you about

1841
01:36:09,350 --> 01:36:04,680
and what you have gone through and the

1842
01:36:11,810 --> 01:36:09,360
blue guys what do you make of that when

1843
01:36:14,150 --> 01:36:11,820
somebody brings you an experience of

1844
01:36:16,670 --> 01:36:14,160
contact like I just did right now what's

1845
01:36:18,890 --> 01:36:16,680
your comment on that now it was with the

1846
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:18,900
blue guys they were you guys no no and

1847
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:21,690
I've never revealed the shade of the

1848
01:36:26,180 --> 01:36:23,610
skin I want to keep that private I'll

1849
01:36:27,770 --> 01:36:26,190
tell you about that off of the air okay

1850
01:36:31,490 --> 01:36:27,780
well I can tell you about the blue guys

1851
01:36:34,910 --> 01:36:31,500
but because I'm I don't know basically

1852
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:34,920
what is going on with you know in other

1853
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:35,850
words I don't know what your experience

1854
01:36:44,750 --> 01:36:42,570
is I can't address it directly so you

1855
01:36:46,820 --> 01:36:44,760
know you you had something going on

1856
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:46,830
obviously because you wouldn't have been

1857
01:36:52,630 --> 01:36:49,770
experiencing the it wouldn't have been

1858
01:36:54,740 --> 01:36:52,640
like that if it was a normal experience

1859
01:36:56,060 --> 01:36:54,750
but I can tell you about the blue guys

1860
01:36:58,250 --> 01:36:56,070
entirely a lot about the blue guys

1861
01:37:03,020 --> 01:36:58,260
they've been in my life since I was a

1862
01:37:04,180 --> 01:37:03,030
boy the only memory I have from my

1863
01:37:07,310 --> 01:37:04,190
childhood

1864
01:37:11,990 --> 01:37:07,320
that has always been there you know I

1865
01:37:14,690 --> 01:37:12,000
went through a long period of not having

1866
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:14,700
any real memories about my childhood it

1867
01:37:23,420 --> 01:37:18,210
wasn't until Don Klein during the second

1868
01:37:26,090 --> 01:37:23,430
hypnosis session in 1987 noticed that I

1869
01:37:31,950 --> 01:37:26,100
had spontaneously regress to the age of

1870
01:37:38,230 --> 01:37:34,660
began to think in terms of my child

1871
01:37:39,970 --> 01:37:38,240
inand a whole huge whole huge amount of

1872
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:39,980
memory came up which I wrote the secret

1873
01:37:46,300 --> 01:37:43,130
school about but this memory has been

1874
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:46,310
there always before that I just didn't

1875
01:37:50,890 --> 01:37:47,930
know what it was I thought it was sort

1876
01:37:53,410 --> 01:37:50,900
of a zit some sort of a dream but what

1877
01:37:56,710 --> 01:37:53,420
it was is this the blue guys they were

1878
01:38:01,900 --> 01:37:56,720
around my in my life a lot in those days

1879
01:38:04,450 --> 01:38:01,910
and they used to take me and other

1880
01:38:09,460 --> 01:38:04,460
children I don't remember who the other

1881
01:38:13,770 --> 01:38:09,470
children were on a kind of raft they

1882
01:38:21,850 --> 01:38:17,140
you could lean out over the sides of it

1883
01:38:24,130 --> 01:38:21,860
and look down and see the neighborhood

1884
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:24,140
down below and it was really really fun

1885
01:38:30,730 --> 01:38:27,890
and they used to get all nervous and run

1886
01:38:33,370 --> 01:38:30,740
around clapping their hands and gasping

1887
01:38:34,840 --> 01:38:33,380
when we leaned too far out because they

1888
01:38:37,990 --> 01:38:34,850
were afraid we would fall off but they

1889
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:38,000
would never touch us and I remembered

1890
01:38:43,270 --> 01:38:41,690
that and is a dream until the Don Klein

1891
01:38:44,620 --> 01:38:43,280
thing happened I began to recover so

1892
01:38:46,270 --> 01:38:44,630
many other memories I thought to myself

1893
01:38:47,740 --> 01:38:46,280
my god that's never been a dream that

1894
01:38:50,290 --> 01:38:47,750
was actually something that happened

1895
01:38:53,740 --> 01:38:50,300
okay that's number one with the blue

1896
01:38:55,780 --> 01:38:53,750
guys mm-hmm we're gonna this is gonna

1897
01:38:58,450 --> 01:38:55,790
take a while so just be patient when I'm

1898
01:39:04,300 --> 01:38:58,460
patient okay number two with the blue

1899
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:04,310
guys this is the second experience with

1900
01:39:11,440 --> 01:39:07,970
the blue guys and and I used to live on

1901
01:39:14,170 --> 01:39:11,450
West 55th Street in Manhattan and we

1902
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:14,180
would walk down 55th Street across

1903
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:16,370
eighth Avenue across seventh Avenue and

1904
01:39:20,860 --> 01:39:19,010
Broadway to Fifth Avenue where there

1905
01:39:23,970 --> 01:39:20,870
were a lot of bookstores in those days

1906
01:39:27,810 --> 01:39:23,980
Doubledays bookstore and there was a

1907
01:39:30,790 --> 01:39:27,820
brentano's big brentano's bookstore and

1908
01:39:35,140 --> 01:39:30,800
scriveners it was wonderful I love books

1909
01:39:36,820 --> 01:39:35,150
and I my life is deeply tragic now

1910
01:39:38,620 --> 01:39:36,830
because most of the book stores have

1911
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:38,630
closed it's something I never dreamed

1912
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:42,050
would happen but anyway we would go to

1913
01:39:45,140 --> 01:39:44,810
the bookstores and when we went past a

1914
01:39:48,590 --> 01:39:45,150
sir

1915
01:39:50,710 --> 01:39:48,600
kind of dark little part of 55th Street

1916
01:39:54,370 --> 01:39:50,720
I believe it was between 7th and 8th

1917
01:39:57,290 --> 01:39:54,380
there was a little storefront in there

1918
01:40:00,220 --> 01:39:57,300
where it's just a little storefront it

1919
01:40:02,150 --> 01:40:00,230
was always empty there was a curtain and

1920
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:02,160
in front of the curtain there was a

1921
01:40:06,980 --> 01:40:04,650
chair and every once in a while there

1922
01:40:10,900 --> 01:40:06,990
would be a girl sitting in the chair who

1923
01:40:14,180 --> 01:40:10,910
looked like frankly you know a

1924
01:40:16,010 --> 01:40:14,190
prostitute only you know this being

1925
01:40:17,090 --> 01:40:16,020
America not Amsterdam there was no red

1926
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:17,100
light or anything it was all very

1927
01:40:23,030 --> 01:40:20,810
discreet one night were going home and

1928
01:40:24,790 --> 01:40:23,040
there's something going on in the horse

1929
01:40:27,860 --> 01:40:24,800
store we used to call it the horse store

1930
01:40:29,420 --> 01:40:27,870
huh the chair is on its side the

1931
01:40:34,190 --> 01:40:29,430
curtains flapping back and forth like

1932
01:40:36,710 --> 01:40:34,200
crazy and this man in a suit is trying

1933
01:40:38,090 --> 01:40:36,720
to get out and little blue dwarfs are

1934
01:40:40,570 --> 01:40:38,100
coming out from behind the curtain and

1935
01:40:43,460 --> 01:40:40,580
grabbing him and dragging him back and

1936
01:40:45,770 --> 01:40:43,470
we see this we watch it for a couple

1937
01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:45,780
seconds and he says let's get out of

1938
01:40:49,850 --> 01:40:47,730
here and we go home we've run home

1939
01:40:51,950 --> 01:40:49,860
actually and so we're gonna call the

1940
01:40:54,440 --> 01:40:51,960
police to tell them that this is

1941
01:40:56,660 --> 01:40:54,450
happening and I pick up the phone and

1942
01:40:58,460 --> 01:40:56,670
there was no 9-1-1 in those days I'm

1943
01:41:01,460 --> 01:40:58,470
looking looking up the police phone

1944
01:41:04,340 --> 01:41:01,470
number and we look at each other I say

1945
01:41:06,950 --> 01:41:04,350
what am I gonna say you know this is New

1946
01:41:09,740 --> 01:41:06,960
York I mean I can't say that a bunch of

1947
01:41:12,140 --> 01:41:09,750
Blue Dwarfs were trying to kidnap a man

1948
01:41:13,460 --> 01:41:12,150
out of a storefront to the New York City

1949
01:41:16,940 --> 01:41:13,470
Police Department and have anything

1950
01:41:19,850 --> 01:41:16,950
happen except a guffaw or possibly they

1951
01:41:21,350 --> 01:41:19,860
send someone over with a net so we

1952
01:41:21,980 --> 01:41:21,360
didn't call police we didn't know what

1953
01:41:24,170 --> 01:41:21,990
to say

1954
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:24,180
but I'm telling you this we never went

1955
01:41:32,060 --> 01:41:27,690
past the horse store again second little

1956
01:41:34,850 --> 01:41:32,070
blue guys third little blue guys and I'm

1957
01:41:36,020 --> 01:41:34,860
getting to the end of this and you're

1958
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:36,030
gonna know something about the little

1959
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:37,530
blue guys it's gonna surprise you in a

1960
01:41:47,090 --> 01:41:40,970
few minutes the third little blue guys I

1961
01:41:49,340 --> 01:41:47,100
have an incredibly vivid dream I am NOT

1962
01:41:51,470 --> 01:41:49,350
in this world I am in another world this

1963
01:41:54,260 --> 01:41:51,480
is still in the 70s long before the

1964
01:41:58,979 --> 01:41:54,270
community experience or anything I am

1965
01:42:01,709 --> 01:41:58,989
there's a sort of a path very nicely

1966
01:42:04,770 --> 01:42:01,719
sort of paved path very pretty very

1967
01:42:07,739 --> 01:42:04,780
curved and very nice-looking and an Arch

1968
01:42:10,709 --> 01:42:07,749
of Triumph is there and off in the

1969
01:42:13,319 --> 01:42:10,719
distance to my left to my right is a

1970
01:42:17,279 --> 01:42:13,329
hill and Cedars like Cedars of Lebanon

1971
01:42:20,459 --> 01:42:17,289
er on the hill and to my to my left and

1972
01:42:24,660 --> 01:42:20,469
down on the side of a bluff which looks

1973
01:42:27,750 --> 01:42:24,670
out over a huge expanse of what looks

1974
01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:27,760
like desert is a dark blue round

1975
01:42:35,970 --> 01:42:32,050
building that's all tumbled down that

1976
01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:35,980
they tell me is a university and I

1977
01:42:42,060 --> 01:42:39,130
wanted to go to that University and they

1978
01:42:44,850 --> 01:42:42,070
were ready for me to go so I start

1979
01:42:46,890 --> 01:42:44,860
walking toward the university and as you

1980
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:46,900
get closer to it it's really tumbled

1981
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:48,880
down and I say to one of them why is it

1982
01:42:53,129 --> 01:42:51,010
such a mess it looks like it's in ruins

1983
01:42:54,629 --> 01:42:53,139
and he says well it's a million years

1984
01:42:59,189 --> 01:42:54,639
old and the scholars aren't very good at

1985
01:43:02,520 --> 01:42:59,199
maintenance so did he say that in jest

1986
01:43:03,930 --> 01:43:02,530
or oh it was just you know they're very

1987
01:43:10,950 --> 01:43:03,940
they have a sense of humor and

1988
01:43:14,430 --> 01:43:10,960
everything I don't right okay and so as

1989
01:43:17,069 --> 01:43:14,440
I get closer to it the strange grey

1990
01:43:19,620 --> 01:43:17,079
taller gray figures with great big black

1991
01:43:23,700 --> 01:43:19,630
eye eyes show up they're not gonna let

1992
01:43:26,399 --> 01:43:23,710
me join enter because I'm not ready I'm

1993
01:43:29,759 --> 01:43:26,409
not ready I'm terribly disappointed

1994
01:43:33,479 --> 01:43:29,769
I wake up abruptly and I am devastated

1995
01:43:37,470 --> 01:43:33,489
it is I'm just devastated I wanted to go

1996
01:43:42,209 --> 01:43:37,480
in there so badly and now I know the

1997
01:43:45,239 --> 01:43:42,219
truth of it when I went there and wanted

1998
01:43:46,169 --> 01:43:45,249
to go in so badly and they wouldn't let

1999
01:43:48,120 --> 01:43:46,179
me was win

2000
01:43:50,669 --> 01:43:48,130
iemon trick you lated I've been in that

2001
01:43:53,810 --> 01:43:50,679
university ever since I understand that

2002
01:43:57,509 --> 01:43:53,820
now I sure didn't then but in any case

2003
01:44:01,290 --> 01:43:57,519
that's the third now we're gonna get to

2004
01:44:05,129 --> 01:44:01,300
another level of this Lori Barnes was an

2005
01:44:10,140 --> 01:44:05,139
secretary for 15 years Lori and found

2006
01:44:11,609 --> 01:44:10,150
Lori by reading she's reading letter

2007
01:44:12,820 --> 01:44:11,619
after letter after letter and she was

2008
01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:12,830
saying I need a secretary

2009
01:44:17,230 --> 01:44:14,690
well we'll call manpower and she said

2010
01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:17,240
I'll find someone in the letters she she

2011
01:44:20,770 --> 01:44:18,650
found people in the letters who she

2012
01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:20,780
would pick up a letter and say she's

2013
01:44:24,070 --> 01:44:22,250
gonna see the visitors or he's gonna

2014
01:44:25,480 --> 01:44:24,080
have a contact experience at the cabin

2015
01:44:27,190 --> 01:44:25,490
put the letter aside and invite him up

2016
01:44:30,070 --> 01:44:27,200
and it happened she was absolutely

2017
01:44:33,910 --> 01:44:30,080
amazing and she even herself never had

2018
01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:33,920
any experiences so anyway she soon she

2019
01:44:37,810 --> 01:44:35,810
says here's our secretary and she hands

2020
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:37,820
me this letter it's very nicely written

2021
01:44:42,970 --> 01:44:40,730
handwriting and I read the letter and I

2022
01:44:45,100 --> 01:44:42,980
said well this says that she's a singer

2023
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:45,110
and an actress she says have you ever

2024
01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:47,570
heard of her I said no well look at that

2025
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:49,130
handwriting that's the handwriting over

2026
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:51,890
professional she's a secretary so she

2027
01:44:57,520 --> 01:44:53,810
calls her up she turns out to live a

2028
01:44:59,860 --> 01:44:57,530
half a block from us in Manhattan and I

2029
01:45:01,030 --> 01:44:59,870
hear and say oh good well okay well why

2030
01:45:02,980 --> 01:45:01,040
don't you come over right now and get

2031
01:45:05,440 --> 01:45:02,990
started I need you like I could use you

2032
01:45:07,750 --> 01:45:05,450
right this second that was the beginning

2033
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:07,760
of a 15 year period where she was our

2034
01:45:12,310 --> 01:45:10,610
secretary and she was a close encounter

2035
01:45:17,980 --> 01:45:12,320
witness sister so the letter was all

2036
01:45:21,100 --> 01:45:17,990
about a course so here is her story 1954

2037
01:45:23,290 --> 01:45:21,110
she's lying in bed at 11 o'clock at

2038
01:45:26,260 --> 01:45:23,300
night her husband is a pianist it's out

2039
01:45:29,470 --> 01:45:26,270
on a gig and she notices movement she's

2040
01:45:31,810 --> 01:45:29,480
reading and she looks down at the side

2041
01:45:34,390 --> 01:45:31,820
of the bed and there is this long row of

2042
01:45:40,470 --> 01:45:34,400
these little terrifying looking a little

2043
01:45:45,310 --> 01:45:40,480
blue man and she recoils in horror

2044
01:45:46,750 --> 01:45:45,320
because it's 1954 you don't you know you

2045
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:46,760
know you're not expecting that Larry but

2046
01:45:53,980 --> 01:45:50,690
at that one and you see how human

2047
01:45:56,530 --> 01:45:53,990
consciousness is changing 1954 he had no

2048
01:45:59,560 --> 01:45:56,540
idea now we're talking about it on the

2049
01:46:04,180 --> 01:45:59,570
radio with insight as you will see in

2050
01:46:07,330 --> 01:46:04,190
any case she she recoils and he says do

2051
01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:07,340
not fear us no do not be afraid we're

2052
01:46:11,200 --> 01:46:09,650
not here for you we're interested in the

2053
01:46:12,670 --> 01:46:11,210
girl child you're carrying which of

2054
01:46:14,500 --> 01:46:12,680
course she goes totally apeshit then

2055
01:46:16,270 --> 01:46:14,510
right because she is pregnant in fact

2056
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:16,280
and it turned out it was a girl who's a

2057
01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:18,410
very nice was a very nice is still a

2058
01:46:22,150 --> 01:46:19,970
very nice woman and there's no

2059
01:46:23,590 --> 01:46:22,160
connection mysterious connection that we

2060
01:46:25,890 --> 01:46:23,600
can tell between her and the visitors at

2061
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:25,900
all in any case

2062
01:46:35,580 --> 01:46:31,810
he then puts his hand on her wrist and

2063
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:35,590
says why do you fear us so and she says

2064
01:46:40,740 --> 01:46:39,010
because you're so ugly and then he says

2065
01:46:43,260 --> 01:46:40,750
something that I think is probably

2066
01:46:48,500 --> 01:46:43,270
really important he says one day my dear

2067
01:46:52,470 --> 01:46:48,510
you will look just like us right and

2068
01:46:54,540 --> 01:46:52,480
because they are human right where the

2069
01:46:59,250 --> 01:46:54,550
tadpoles they're the frogs and they look

2070
01:47:00,840 --> 01:46:59,260
like frogs - I'm anyway yeah kick

2071
01:47:03,630 --> 01:47:00,850
continue I just wanted to interject

2072
01:47:06,090 --> 01:47:03,640
since I remember the the first time I

2073
01:47:09,420 --> 01:47:06,100
heard these references from you about

2074
01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:09,430
them I was I thought about my own

2075
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:12,130
experiences and I'm gonna say well I was

2076
01:47:17,640 --> 01:47:15,850
I was uncomfortable it was yeah because

2077
01:47:19,140 --> 01:47:17,650
they can do things to you that are very

2078
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:19,150
uncomfortable and I'll tell you how what

2079
01:47:26,490 --> 01:47:23,370
they are in a minute continue okay

2080
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:26,500
flash forward for many years we're

2081
01:47:32,850 --> 01:47:29,050
living now in San Antonio dear friend is

2082
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:32,860
in a hospital he's in emergency heart

2083
01:47:38,940 --> 01:47:34,570
surgery he's not expected to come out

2084
01:47:39,660 --> 01:47:38,950
alive we could air with his family I see

2085
01:47:41,340 --> 01:47:39,670
dead people

2086
01:47:43,860 --> 01:47:41,350
I mean I'm I'll be frank about it I've

2087
01:47:45,570 --> 01:47:43,870
seen him for most of my life a lot of

2088
01:47:47,970 --> 01:47:45,580
times I didn't know it but now I do and

2089
01:47:49,380 --> 01:47:47,980
by that time I was well aware of it so

2090
01:47:51,810 --> 01:47:49,390
he comes walking out of the operating

2091
01:47:53,250 --> 01:47:51,820
room and I immediately turned to an and

2092
01:47:56,970 --> 01:47:53,260
say he just died

2093
01:48:01,230 --> 01:47:56,980
and a second later the surgeon comes out

2094
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:01,240
and gives his wife the bad news then I

2095
01:48:07,530 --> 01:48:03,850
see in my mind's eye two of the blue

2096
01:48:10,200 --> 01:48:07,540
guys and they have him and they they are

2097
01:48:14,690 --> 01:48:10,210
taking him and they're putting him into

2098
01:48:18,450 --> 01:48:14,700
a newborn baby in India little girl and

2099
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:18,460
a soul someone comes out of it I'm not I

2100
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:21,010
can't explain that but it was like a

2101
01:48:27,270 --> 01:48:23,530
shift of some sort that took place and

2102
01:48:29,730 --> 01:48:27,280
here's why he was not a really good man

2103
01:48:31,950 --> 01:48:29,740
he did some good things in the world and

2104
01:48:34,470 --> 01:48:31,960
he had a fine family created a fine

2105
01:48:38,460 --> 01:48:34,480
family but he did also some real dark

2106
01:48:39,650 --> 01:48:38,470
things and if he had looked at the dark

2107
01:48:42,230 --> 01:48:39,660
stuff

2108
01:48:45,350 --> 01:48:42,240
he would have gone he would have been

2109
01:48:48,170 --> 01:48:45,360
lost they rescued him by whipping him

2110
01:48:50,300 --> 01:48:48,180
into a body so fast that he didn't get a

2111
01:48:54,380 --> 01:48:50,310
chance to see himself but did get a

2112
01:48:56,960 --> 01:48:54,390
chance to get to experience the life

2113
01:49:01,490 --> 01:48:56,970
that he will is experiencing now of

2114
01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:01,500
poverty and enforced humility as a woman

2115
01:49:06,710 --> 01:49:04,320
in a in a culture and that's very poor

2116
01:49:09,020 --> 01:49:06,720
where women are not very well respected

2117
01:49:11,990 --> 01:49:09,030
and he's experiencing that so it's

2118
01:49:14,900 --> 01:49:12,000
balances karma is balancing out you know

2119
01:49:15,650 --> 01:49:14,910
who they are they call themselves they

2120
01:49:19,910 --> 01:49:15,660
told Laurie

2121
01:49:23,270 --> 01:49:19,920
we're soul tanks right they mean they

2122
01:49:26,150 --> 01:49:23,280
are the managers of our souls and you

2123
01:49:28,670 --> 01:49:26,160
remember the movie ghost whoever wrote

2124
01:49:31,070 --> 01:49:28,680
that intuited this or knew it because

2125
01:49:36,430 --> 01:49:31,080
those creatures that come up groaning up

2126
01:49:39,110 --> 01:49:36,440
out of the dark that's them that's them

2127
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:39,120
dan Mohler stuff is so wonderfully

2128
01:49:43,940 --> 01:49:42,090
fascinating to you some of it is true -

2129
01:49:47,660 --> 01:49:43,950
I believe it is do you remember the

2130
01:49:48,380 --> 01:49:47,670
movie phantasm no I dunno okay I never

2131
01:49:54,440 --> 01:49:48,390
saw okay

2132
01:49:57,980 --> 01:49:54,450
b-movie horror movie alright but so well

2133
01:50:00,200 --> 01:49:57,990
done so Whitley I'm serious I'm serious

2134
01:50:03,340 --> 01:50:00,210
- forget about the B movie aspect and

2135
01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:03,350
all of that and the horror side of it

2136
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:07,410
watch it because they're size and we'll

2137
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:08,970
watch it I'm fascinated by a good horror

2138
01:50:14,150 --> 01:50:11,370
movie yeah it's less it's not too gory

2139
01:50:15,860 --> 01:50:14,160
all right there no no no and you know

2140
01:50:21,200 --> 01:50:15,870
what there's some funny moments too as

2141
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:21,210
well okay but just the entire soul

2142
01:50:27,500 --> 01:50:24,570
aspect of this and the physicality of

2143
01:50:30,260 --> 01:50:27,510
these little guys just just watch the

2144
01:50:31,700 --> 01:50:30,270
movie watch the movie hey I'm sure

2145
01:50:33,230 --> 01:50:31,710
Twitter's about to light up right now

2146
01:50:41,860 --> 01:50:33,240
Church you're right you're right you're

2147
01:50:47,450 --> 01:50:44,750
and I've I've thought about this with

2148
01:50:50,810 --> 01:50:47,460
you for so for so many years now is this

2149
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:50,820
something that we would expect to

2150
01:50:57,600 --> 01:50:54,810
experience when we do pass Oh

2151
01:50:59,070 --> 01:50:57,610
yeah I think that's quite possible and

2152
01:51:04,890 --> 01:50:59,080
it might even be that you're gonna come

2153
01:51:07,290 --> 01:51:04,900
face-to-face with Lori Barnes or me or

2154
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:07,300
whoever I mean because I think that's a

2155
01:51:11,910 --> 01:51:10,570
level some of us graduate to I don't

2156
01:51:14,100 --> 01:51:11,920
think it happened to an interestingly

2157
01:51:16,950 --> 01:51:14,110
enough because I saw Ann after she died

2158
01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:16,960
and she was not in that form at all she

2159
01:51:21,090 --> 01:51:19,090
was she was very different she was just

2160
01:51:26,729 --> 01:51:21,100
a very very beautiful version of herself

2161
01:51:29,939 --> 01:51:26,739
and I've seen a lot of souls and not all

2162
01:51:33,270 --> 01:51:29,949
of them have been like that at all and I

2163
01:51:35,220 --> 01:51:33,280
think that maybe one one level I think

2164
01:51:37,290 --> 01:51:35,230
you know I think we're part of something

2165
01:51:39,780 --> 01:51:37,300
that is really old and really complex

2166
01:51:41,209 --> 01:51:39,790
and you know what Annie said after one

2167
01:51:44,820 --> 01:51:41,219
of the things she said after she died

2168
01:51:47,430 --> 01:51:44,830
was well first of all as she died she

2169
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:47,440
left a book open on the bookshelf here

2170
01:51:50,490 --> 01:51:48,730
in this room I probably told this story

2171
01:51:52,020 --> 01:51:50,500
on your show yeah you did you did yeah

2172
01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:52,030
yeah well we don't want to go through it

2173
01:51:57,300 --> 01:51:53,650
again but anyway she left the book open

2174
01:51:59,550 --> 01:51:57,310
on a place that said that the universe

2175
01:52:04,260 --> 01:51:59,560
began out of a single primordial quest

2176
01:52:08,040 --> 01:52:04,270
for knowledge and that she said after

2177
01:52:12,479 --> 01:52:08,050
she died that before underneath gravity

2178
01:52:15,660 --> 01:52:12,489
all reality is based on a yearning there

2179
01:52:19,050 --> 01:52:15,670
is something yearning for something and

2180
01:52:20,729 --> 01:52:19,060
that's why we exist it's the love of God

2181
01:52:25,950 --> 01:52:20,739
is what she's talking about

2182
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:25,960
that's what's there and they're part of

2183
01:52:32,040 --> 01:52:28,570
it we're part of it we're all a part of

2184
01:52:34,979 --> 01:52:32,050
it and they're they're manipulating

2185
01:52:39,300 --> 01:52:34,989
moving people around and giving trying

2186
01:52:41,669 --> 01:52:39,310
to give people chances to better their

2187
01:52:43,740 --> 01:52:41,679
souls into because this ultimately

2188
01:52:45,750 --> 01:52:43,750
always has always been the same thing

2189
01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:45,760
from the very first moment it came into

2190
01:52:49,229 --> 01:52:46,330
being

2191
01:52:50,910 --> 01:52:49,239
it's a journey to tour to ecstasy that's

2192
01:52:52,770 --> 01:52:50,920
what the universe is it's what life is

2193
01:52:55,680 --> 01:52:52,780
that's what all of this is a journey

2194
01:52:58,859 --> 01:52:55,690
toward ecstasy it's why Ann said again

2195
01:53:00,359 --> 01:52:58,869
after she died she said enlightenment is

2196
01:53:05,700 --> 01:53:00,369
what happens when there's nothing left

2197
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:05,710
of us but love and you know we're all

2198
01:53:07,620 --> 01:53:07,090
trying to get there

2199
01:53:11,340 --> 01:53:07,630
we're

2200
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:11,350
don't wear clothes I mean I am I I can

2201
01:53:17,340 --> 01:53:13,570
tell you this I am enlightened I am

2202
01:53:20,250 --> 01:53:17,350
loved itself until I get in my car and

2203
01:53:24,479 --> 01:53:20,260
drive in the streets of Los Angeles then

2204
01:53:30,780 --> 01:53:24,489
I'm a caveman oh man not only that I

2205
01:53:32,040 --> 01:53:30,790
love it we we all okay okay that's a

2206
01:53:35,070 --> 01:53:32,050
whole nother show but you're absolutely

2207
01:53:37,439 --> 01:53:35,080
right I go through all of my faults come

2208
01:53:41,930 --> 01:53:37,449
out when I Drive for sure

2209
01:53:48,030 --> 01:53:41,940
mine too ain't it fun I just I feel good

2210
01:53:50,399 --> 01:53:48,040
I was watching the the astronomer that

2211
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:50,409
discovered the first exoplanet my or

2212
01:53:57,090 --> 01:53:54,010
back in Switzerland in 1995 so watching

2213
01:53:59,189 --> 01:53:57,100
an interview with him it's a it's about

2214
01:54:02,280 --> 01:53:59,199
a year old and he's out in his backyard

2215
01:54:04,260 --> 01:54:02,290
and he's looking up at the Milky Way

2216
01:54:05,459 --> 01:54:04,270
incredible right all the stars and he

2217
01:54:09,540 --> 01:54:05,469
looks at the camera

2218
01:54:11,910 --> 01:54:09,550
and he says this he goes every star that

2219
01:54:14,370 --> 01:54:11,920
you can see he said with my bad vision

2220
01:54:16,350 --> 01:54:14,380
I'm looking at three to five thousand

2221
01:54:19,050 --> 01:54:16,360
stars with good vision you can see more

2222
01:54:22,169 --> 01:54:19,060
but all of those stars up there I

2223
01:54:26,459 --> 01:54:22,179
discovered the first exoplanet in in

2224
01:54:30,510 --> 01:54:26,469
1995 but now I know that every fifth

2225
01:54:34,200 --> 01:54:30,520
star that we look at has a planet

2226
01:54:38,820 --> 01:54:34,210
identical to Earth right and full five

2227
01:54:42,629 --> 01:54:38,830
right what a powerful powerful statement

2228
01:54:45,149 --> 01:54:42,639
you know 1995 there were none now you

2229
01:54:48,740 --> 01:54:45,159
know him of all people says every fifth

2230
01:54:51,270 --> 01:54:48,750
star has a planet identical to Earth

2231
01:54:53,129 --> 01:54:51,280
right the rest of my gassy Giants and

2232
01:54:55,910 --> 01:54:53,139
everything but that's that's a big

2233
01:55:02,220 --> 01:54:55,920
number when we talk about the Milky Way

2234
01:55:06,810 --> 01:55:02,230
talking about 200 billion earths how

2235
01:55:09,810 --> 01:55:06,820
many how many of those planets are aware

2236
01:55:16,669 --> 01:55:09,820
of us you know is it it's just an

2237
01:55:21,540 --> 01:55:19,290
you know I've thought that maybe this is

2238
01:55:23,970 --> 01:55:21,550
a school that everybody uses

2239
01:55:25,919 --> 01:55:23,980
and that all of us are from different

2240
01:55:29,879 --> 01:55:25,929
worlds and that this is a place that

2241
01:55:33,450 --> 01:55:29,889
that that you you get into kind of you

2242
01:55:37,350 --> 01:55:33,460
know like Harvard or hopefully not

2243
01:55:39,629 --> 01:55:37,360
singsing but right I think is that that

2244
01:55:41,850 --> 01:55:39,639
that it's a place of because it's such a

2245
01:55:46,379 --> 01:55:41,860
an incredible learning experience to be

2246
01:55:48,419 --> 01:55:46,389
here and it's extraordinary and I've

2247
01:55:50,819 --> 01:55:48,429
often wondered if maybe that's what this

2248
01:55:53,339 --> 01:55:50,829
is and that's that it's that it's

2249
01:55:54,930 --> 01:55:53,349
because it's not peaceful and it is wild

2250
01:55:56,609 --> 01:55:54,940
and it is crazy and all kinds of

2251
01:55:58,200 --> 01:55:56,619
horrible things can happen here and you

2252
01:56:01,910 --> 01:55:58,210
can do wonderful things and do horrible

2253
01:56:04,979 --> 01:56:01,920
things and you can you can die after an

2254
01:56:07,830 --> 01:56:04,989
absolutely marvelous

2255
01:56:09,330 --> 01:56:07,840
beautiful life or you can die having

2256
01:56:12,330 --> 01:56:09,340
really screwed up

2257
01:56:15,359 --> 01:56:12,340
you can mondai having just not cared

2258
01:56:19,020 --> 01:56:15,369
enough and I wonder if it's like that

2259
01:56:21,839 --> 01:56:19,030
everywhere if this is not a kind of you

2260
01:56:27,930 --> 01:56:21,849
know if the university that the blue guy

2261
01:56:30,569 --> 01:56:27,940
showed me was not just a little little

2262
01:56:33,870 --> 01:56:30,579
dark blue building on the side of a

2263
01:56:36,780 --> 01:56:33,880
cliff but this is it this is it I think

2264
01:56:40,620 --> 01:56:36,790
I think this is the University this is

2265
01:56:44,180 --> 01:56:40,630
where we are here and we're here to

2266
01:56:46,530 --> 01:56:44,190
learn and to have a get an education

2267
01:56:49,410 --> 01:56:46,540
when the first things Annie said after

2268
01:56:50,189 --> 01:56:49,420
she died was it's a game it's all a game

2269
01:56:52,620 --> 01:56:50,199
whittling

2270
01:56:54,870 --> 01:56:52,630
but I didn't get the impression that it

2271
01:56:57,359 --> 01:56:54,880
was it was a silly game I thought too

2272
01:57:02,819 --> 01:56:57,369
the way she said it it sounded like it

2273
01:57:08,669 --> 01:57:02,829
was a really serious game but by saying

2274
01:57:14,549 --> 01:57:08,679
that I'm wondering right right I'm

2275
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:14,559
wondering if she hmm wow that just that

2276
01:57:24,390 --> 01:57:18,130
expands my my brain somewhat what do you

2277
01:57:27,990 --> 01:57:24,400
think she was referencing Wow and that's

2278
01:57:32,669 --> 01:57:28,000
what did she mean Whitley what she meant

2279
01:57:35,480 --> 01:57:32,679
was that we are we are engaged well you

2280
01:57:41,630 --> 01:57:35,490
know there were games in this world and

2281
01:57:44,000 --> 01:57:41,640
past which were really serious games the

2282
01:57:45,860 --> 01:57:44,010
gladiatorial games before Rome became

2283
01:57:47,750 --> 01:57:45,870
decadent became just a form of

2284
01:57:51,380 --> 01:57:47,760
entertainment were a religious ritual

2285
01:57:54,260 --> 01:57:51,390
the ball game played by the Maya was a

2286
01:57:56,420 --> 01:57:54,270
very serious game it's a serious

2287
01:57:58,520 --> 01:57:56,430
religious ritual I'm not saying those

2288
01:57:59,900 --> 01:57:58,530
games are good I know I don't think they

2289
01:58:03,410 --> 01:57:59,910
were good I think they're very brutal

2290
01:58:05,990 --> 01:58:03,420
and foolish but this game of life is

2291
01:58:09,200 --> 01:58:06,000
very serious because you could come out

2292
01:58:12,850 --> 01:58:09,210
of this game an ascended soul you could

2293
01:58:17,360 --> 01:58:12,860
ascend into ecstasy from from doing this

2294
01:58:20,050 --> 01:58:17,370
so wow is this a big deal this game why

2295
01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:20,060
keeps yeah why keep it hidden

2296
01:58:23,330 --> 01:58:22,770
don't keep it hidden if you don't keep

2297
01:58:25,760 --> 01:58:23,340
it hidden

2298
01:58:27,440 --> 01:58:25,770
then everyone knows it's just a game

2299
01:58:31,370 --> 01:58:27,450
then it loses its force and its

2300
01:58:35,350 --> 01:58:31,380
intensity but we have when we have the

2301
01:58:39,110 --> 01:58:35,360
status quo completely blind to

2302
01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:39,120
imagination completely blind to the

2303
01:58:46,070 --> 01:58:42,570
wonderment of everything that is and so

2304
01:58:49,030 --> 01:58:46,080
fixated on life death taxes and in a

2305
01:58:52,520 --> 01:58:49,040
mortgage right and and not not even

2306
01:58:55,790 --> 01:58:52,530
considering or pondering the wonder of

2307
01:58:58,730 --> 01:58:55,800
it all why keep that part hidden if

2308
01:59:07,030 --> 01:58:58,740
we're gonna advance shouldn't shouldn't

2309
01:59:09,860 --> 01:59:07,040
the masses be aware I'm not even sure

2310
01:59:13,070 --> 01:59:09,870
that this is the only place the game is

2311
01:59:16,130 --> 01:59:13,080
being played it might be being played in

2312
01:59:19,190 --> 01:59:16,140
a lot of places and the amount of time

2313
01:59:22,010 --> 01:59:19,200
involved might be far greater than we

2314
01:59:23,750 --> 01:59:22,020
can possibly imagine it might not be

2315
01:59:26,290 --> 01:59:23,760
that you can you know you remember five

2316
01:59:28,760 --> 01:59:26,300
or six I remember five or six past lives

2317
01:59:30,470 --> 01:59:28,770
it might be that you didn't have five or

2318
01:59:32,780 --> 01:59:30,480
six past lives you may have had millions

2319
01:59:35,210 --> 01:59:32,790
of past lives on many many different

2320
01:59:38,660 --> 01:59:35,220
planets because the journey this journey

2321
01:59:42,170 --> 01:59:38,670
toward ecstasy might be something which

2322
01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:42,180
the accretion of it is literally photon

2323
01:59:48,439 --> 01:59:45,770
by excited photon over billions of years

2324
01:59:50,870 --> 01:59:48,449
we don't know what we are

2325
01:59:54,909 --> 01:59:50,880
we only know we're here now passing

2326
01:59:57,889 --> 01:59:54,919
through this life but it could be that

2327
02:00:00,350 --> 01:59:57,899
this is not the only place the game is

2328
02:00:03,589 --> 02:00:00,360
played it might be a much bigger deal

2329
02:00:05,839 --> 02:00:03,599
than we think and we also might be many

2330
02:00:09,949 --> 02:00:05,849
of us or maybe all of us much much older

2331
02:00:12,259 --> 02:00:09,959
than we would dare to imagine I wanted

2332
02:00:13,790 --> 02:00:12,269
to ask you we've got past this earlier I

2333
02:00:18,699 --> 02:00:13,800
want to get this in before I say good

2334
02:00:23,359 --> 02:00:18,709
night I have interviewed many channelers

2335
02:00:26,299 --> 02:00:23,369
there is a lot of what I think is a

2336
02:00:30,350 --> 02:00:26,309
pretty solid consistent information from

2337
02:00:34,100 --> 02:00:30,360
around the planet it's it's not singular

2338
02:00:36,889 --> 02:00:34,110
is this communication something that you

2339
02:00:41,870 --> 02:00:36,899
pay attention to and and the messages

2340
02:00:45,529 --> 02:00:41,880
that are received I don't know I can

2341
02:00:47,770 --> 02:00:45,539
receive messages from Annie and I think

2342
02:00:52,479 --> 02:00:47,780
some of those messages might be real

2343
02:00:54,919 --> 02:00:52,489
that might genuinely have come from her

2344
02:00:56,689 --> 02:00:54,929
mainly because some of the ideas are too

2345
02:00:59,120 --> 02:00:56,699
good they're better than the kind of

2346
02:01:03,469 --> 02:00:59,130
stuff I come up with like the things I

2347
02:01:05,959 --> 02:01:03,479
talked about tonight mm-hmm but you know

2348
02:01:10,609 --> 02:01:05,969
when I see these long complicated

2349
02:01:13,879 --> 02:01:10,619
channel things that seem like they're

2350
02:01:18,889 --> 02:01:13,889
basically versions of this world kind of

2351
02:01:21,020 --> 02:01:18,899
restated and when I actually live trying

2352
02:01:25,129 --> 02:01:21,030
to live with the visitors and they're so

2353
02:01:27,080 --> 02:01:25,139
different I just have to wonder if it's

2354
02:01:32,750 --> 02:01:27,090
channeling your imagination for the most

2355
02:01:34,759 --> 02:01:32,760
part I don't I don't know with you with

2356
02:01:38,479 --> 02:01:34,769
me what do you mean is it imagination

2357
02:01:40,339 --> 02:01:38,489
with you I don't know I could be yeah I

2358
02:01:42,020 --> 02:01:40,349
don't I don't think it is though in my

2359
02:01:45,949 --> 02:01:42,030
case because you know I have certain

2360
02:01:48,290 --> 02:01:45,959
certain certain things that are kind of

2361
02:01:52,040 --> 02:01:48,300
anchors like the implant in my ear right

2362
02:01:54,020 --> 02:01:52,050
it's there it's real it's in fact I it's

2363
02:01:56,779 --> 02:01:54,030
it's there's a lot going on with it

2364
02:01:58,939 --> 02:01:56,789
right now because it moved from the

2365
02:02:01,970 --> 02:01:58,949
place the place where it's been for

2366
02:02:05,540 --> 02:02:01,980
years up in the top part of my ear

2367
02:02:07,010 --> 02:02:05,550
your opinion of my ear down about half

2368
02:02:09,140 --> 02:02:07,020
an inch all of a sudden about three

2369
02:02:12,260 --> 02:02:09,150
weeks ago and now I keep having these

2370
02:02:14,060 --> 02:02:12,270
periods where I have these kinds of pins

2371
02:02:18,110 --> 02:02:14,070
and needles going through the side of my

2372
02:02:20,030 --> 02:02:18,120
head and and when I'm meditating that

2373
02:02:24,710 --> 02:02:20,040
part that the place where the implant is

2374
02:02:28,820 --> 02:02:24,720
tingles so that's real I mean that's

2375
02:02:31,400 --> 02:02:28,830
physical stuff so it you know I can't

2376
02:02:34,310 --> 02:02:31,410
say that everything about my experience

2377
02:02:36,650 --> 02:02:34,320
is imagination I think a lot of it might

2378
02:02:39,230 --> 02:02:36,660
be misinterpreted simply because I

2379
02:02:42,890 --> 02:02:39,240
simply don't have enough ground of truth

2380
02:02:45,950 --> 02:02:42,900
as it were to interpret it correctly but

2381
02:02:50,090 --> 02:02:45,960
no not all of it is imagination or that

2382
02:02:53,000 --> 02:02:50,100
thing wouldn't be there I have had so

2383
02:02:55,580 --> 02:02:53,010
many physical experiences and sightings

2384
02:02:58,730 --> 02:02:55,590
and and things like that and and that

2385
02:03:01,550 --> 02:02:58,740
that's great that's amazing and and but

2386
02:03:04,940 --> 02:03:01,560
you put that stuff aside if I didn't

2387
02:03:07,100 --> 02:03:04,950
have any sightings or anything you know

2388
02:03:09,230 --> 02:03:07,110
the real physical experiences there's

2389
02:03:12,490 --> 02:03:09,240
the other part that I don't have answers

2390
02:03:18,040 --> 02:03:12,500
for and that's things like deja vu crazy

2391
02:03:22,510 --> 02:03:18,050
synchronicities you just in explainable

2392
02:03:24,890 --> 02:03:22,520
intangible untouchable experiences that

2393
02:03:28,430 --> 02:03:24,900
there is something going on where there

2394
02:03:31,610 --> 02:03:28,440
this universe is electric and connected

2395
02:03:33,560 --> 02:03:31,620
and multi-dimensional that's the only

2396
02:03:36,650 --> 02:03:33,570
thing that I can explain and I'm waiting

2397
02:03:38,240 --> 02:03:36,660
for science to catch up and and help me

2398
02:03:41,170 --> 02:03:38,250
understand and the rest of the world

2399
02:03:44,450 --> 02:03:41,180
what is going on with these experiences

2400
02:03:48,860 --> 02:03:44,460
well you know I there the implant works

2401
02:03:50,480 --> 02:03:48,870
in two ways one is and I'm get I'm this

2402
02:03:51,770 --> 02:03:50,490
is actually a direct response to your

2403
02:03:54,920 --> 02:03:51,780
question it just sounds a little bit

2404
02:03:57,410 --> 02:03:54,930
roundabout her to your statement one is

2405
02:04:00,530 --> 02:03:57,420
that a little slit opens up in my right

2406
02:04:05,140 --> 02:04:00,540
eye and I see words typed and courier

2407
02:04:09,110 --> 02:04:05,150
racing through and those words are

2408
02:04:10,610 --> 02:04:09,120
related to what I am thinking about and

2409
02:04:14,540 --> 02:04:10,620
working on but it's not like a thesaurus

2410
02:04:15,500 --> 02:04:14,550
it's like like more distantly connected

2411
02:04:16,820 --> 02:04:15,510
words that

2412
02:04:19,430 --> 02:04:16,830
cause they're like it's like having a

2413
02:04:21,530 --> 02:04:19,440
muse in your head because it causes all

2414
02:04:23,510 --> 02:04:21,540
kinds of unexpected connections and

2415
02:04:25,910 --> 02:04:23,520
makes your ideas very big it's like an

2416
02:04:29,780 --> 02:04:25,920
amplifier mm-hmm the other thing it does

2417
02:04:32,780 --> 02:04:29,790
is when I ask it a question a direct

2418
02:04:36,220 --> 02:04:32,790
question I don't always get an answer at

2419
02:04:40,340 --> 02:04:36,230
all I have to say but sometimes I do and

2420
02:04:42,979 --> 02:04:40,350
the answer is always comes out of a

2421
02:04:46,280 --> 02:04:42,989
synchronicity that's how it works

2422
02:04:48,680 --> 02:04:46,290
and I literally use synchronicity as a

2423
02:04:51,110 --> 02:04:48,690
research tool because of this because

2424
02:04:52,940 --> 02:04:51,120
it's so consistent I would say eight out

2425
02:04:54,890 --> 02:04:52,950
of ten of the questions I asked or

2426
02:04:58,940 --> 02:04:54,900
answered in one way or another and

2427
02:05:00,320 --> 02:04:58,950
maddeningly I know I may be 10 out of 10

2428
02:05:04,610 --> 02:05:00,330
are answered I just don't get it

2429
02:05:06,680 --> 02:05:04,620
sometimes but it has been it's in it's

2430
02:05:09,460 --> 02:05:06,690
an incredibly valuable research tool and

2431
02:05:12,410 --> 02:05:09,470
I'm very worried now because of these

2432
02:05:14,090 --> 02:05:12,420
sensations I'm getting in my head if it

2433
02:05:17,270 --> 02:05:14,100
you know I is there some kind a

2434
02:05:19,310 --> 02:05:17,280
radiation connected with it that is is

2435
02:05:21,860 --> 02:05:19,320
damaging to me and you know I'm gonna

2436
02:05:23,750 --> 02:05:21,870
have a CT scan of it shortly and there

2437
02:05:24,820 --> 02:05:23,760
gonna be some studies done to see what's

2438
02:05:28,100 --> 02:05:24,830
going on there because something

2439
02:05:31,310 --> 02:05:28,110
something is house not the way it used

2440
02:05:34,340 --> 02:05:31,320
to be right and how do you encourage I

2441
02:05:38,630 --> 02:05:34,350
try to do it I try to do it Whitley to

2442
02:05:40,640 --> 02:05:38,640
open people up at least a little bit how

2443
02:05:44,720 --> 02:05:40,650
do you incur to encourage people to pay

2444
02:05:48,220 --> 02:05:44,730
attention to synchronicities I don't

2445
02:05:52,900 --> 02:05:48,230
know how much in my life I've ignored

2446
02:05:56,210 --> 02:05:52,910
but but I don't anymore and and I

2447
02:05:58,370 --> 02:05:56,220
definitely pay attention when it happens

2448
02:06:01,550 --> 02:05:58,380
how do you encourage people to to stop

2449
02:06:03,590 --> 02:06:01,560
ignoring synchronicities you tell me I

2450
02:06:05,750 --> 02:06:03,600
ignore the darn things all with him that

2451
02:06:07,370 --> 02:06:05,760
frustrates the hell out of me you know

2452
02:06:09,350 --> 02:06:07,380
you overlook them because they're

2453
02:06:12,020 --> 02:06:09,360
they're not in the stream of ordinary

2454
02:06:15,560 --> 02:06:12,030
life right like like I have prophetic

2455
02:06:17,930 --> 02:06:15,570
moments that I overlook and there's

2456
02:06:19,970 --> 02:06:17,940
always the same reason like when the

2457
02:06:22,820 --> 02:06:19,980
Huracan was coming up a couple of weeks

2458
02:06:27,400 --> 02:06:22,830
ago to cross through my mind a thought

2459
02:06:29,570 --> 02:06:27,410
oh the Bahamas will be okay that is a

2460
02:06:32,570 --> 02:06:29,580
prophetic thought that the

2461
02:06:35,780 --> 02:06:32,580
Bahamas will not be okay I've had those

2462
02:06:37,820 --> 02:06:35,790
all of my life where as soon as I think

2463
02:06:40,010 --> 02:06:37,830
something like that it's it that's

2464
02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:40,020
actually a warning it I think the

2465
02:06:43,160 --> 02:06:41,850
opposite of what's actually going to

2466
02:06:45,950 --> 02:06:43,170
happen because I don't want to face what

2467
02:06:47,480 --> 02:06:45,960
is going to happen and so but this time

2468
02:06:48,860 --> 02:06:47,490
I thought oh my god my hormones are

2469
02:06:50,660 --> 02:06:48,870
gonna be destroyed as soon as that

2470
02:06:54,260 --> 02:06:50,670
thought pass through my mind and they

2471
02:06:56,870 --> 02:06:54,270
weren't so there's synchronicities and

2472
02:07:00,710 --> 02:06:56,880
there's other things like that that that

2473
02:07:03,980 --> 02:07:00,720
are just very hard to catch very hard to

2474
02:07:06,110 --> 02:07:03,990
catch on to maybe in a sense we're sort

2475
02:07:09,230 --> 02:07:06,120
of we feel like we're not supposed to do

2476
02:07:12,110 --> 02:07:09,240
that I don't know although I love

2477
02:07:12,770 --> 02:07:12,120
synchronicities I do I do I respond to

2478
02:07:14,720 --> 02:07:12,780
them now

2479
02:07:17,360 --> 02:07:14,730
well you're right though there's so many

2480
02:07:19,580 --> 02:07:17,370
of them we like we just enjoy it and let

2481
02:07:21,860 --> 02:07:19,590
it go right and we don't respond to it

2482
02:07:24,530 --> 02:07:21,870
you know I've had this crazy I brought

2483
02:07:29,600 --> 02:07:24,540
it up a couple of months ago on the show

2484
02:07:35,120 --> 02:07:29,610
but over the last year or so I keep

2485
02:07:39,080 --> 02:07:35,130
having this repetitive vision that I

2486
02:07:41,480 --> 02:07:39,090
look up at the moon and it's like

2487
02:07:43,370 --> 02:07:41,490
smoking right that there's something

2488
02:07:46,730 --> 02:07:43,380
going on something is hit the moon or

2489
02:07:49,640 --> 02:07:46,740
it's cracked and now no I know and now I

2490
02:07:51,650 --> 02:07:49,650
constantly every time I get the chat

2491
02:07:54,080 --> 02:07:51,660
like at the moon in and I'm wondering if

2492
02:07:57,260 --> 02:07:54,090
that's the moment and I brought it up on

2493
02:08:00,710 --> 02:07:57,270
the air only because I couldn't let it

2494
02:08:03,500 --> 02:08:00,720
go and I do it now I did it last night I

2495
02:08:06,650 --> 02:08:03,510
can't seem to let it go but I felt that

2496
02:08:09,710 --> 02:08:06,660
I needed to mention it just just just in

2497
02:08:11,300 --> 02:08:09,720
case right but I mean let me tell you

2498
02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:11,310
something I can't let it go you know you

2499
02:08:20,420 --> 02:08:15,050
you obviously don't know this the first

2500
02:08:22,690 --> 02:08:20,430
really intense warning I ever got from

2501
02:08:25,490 --> 02:08:22,700
the visitors was this incredible thing

2502
02:08:28,880 --> 02:08:25,500
where I looked out the window in a hotel

2503
02:08:31,940 --> 02:08:28,890
in Colorado as I recall and the moon was

2504
02:08:37,610 --> 02:08:31,950
exploding real pieces were flying off of

2505
02:08:40,550 --> 02:08:37,620
it this was 25 years ago now we have a

2506
02:08:43,400 --> 02:08:40,560
situation where more and more asteroids

2507
02:08:46,610 --> 02:08:43,410
right are coming through this

2508
02:08:48,320 --> 02:08:46,620
this solar system and they just a couple

2509
02:08:50,090 --> 02:08:48,330
days ago one passed within a few hundred

2510
02:08:51,410 --> 02:08:50,100
thousands of miles of earth we didn't

2511
02:08:53,720 --> 02:08:51,420
even see coming nope

2512
02:08:55,970 --> 02:08:53,730
and you know you look at the moon why is

2513
02:08:57,500 --> 02:08:55,980
it so covered with craters it's covered

2514
02:09:00,410 --> 02:08:57,510
with craters because the moon is a

2515
02:09:03,890 --> 02:09:00,420
protective it's protective it protects

2516
02:09:06,380 --> 02:09:03,900
us but not completely Jupiter also

2517
02:09:08,540 --> 02:09:06,390
protects the inner planet so because big

2518
02:09:11,930 --> 02:09:08,550
stuff gets pulled in by Jupiter's

2519
02:09:15,380 --> 02:09:11,940
gravity well it doesn't talk to all the

2520
02:09:19,840 --> 02:09:15,390
time all the time yes and the moon

2521
02:09:24,470 --> 02:09:19,850
protects Earth this thing by the way

2522
02:09:27,470 --> 02:09:24,480
earth is exactly within about fifty

2523
02:09:31,160 --> 02:09:27,480
thousand of fifty thousand mile envelope

2524
02:09:33,320 --> 02:09:31,170
of the perfect place for it to be for

2525
02:09:36,350 --> 02:09:33,330
everything in terms of water and so

2526
02:09:38,990 --> 02:09:36,360
forth to be in balance without the moon

2527
02:09:41,330 --> 02:09:39,000
the orbital winds would be too fat to

2528
02:09:45,370 --> 02:09:41,340
[\h__\h] them the orbital winds would be

2529
02:09:49,030 --> 02:09:45,380
too fast for anything big to grow the

2530
02:09:52,610 --> 02:09:49,040
outer planets protect the inner planets

2531
02:09:54,530 --> 02:09:52,620
the moon protects us there's no other

2532
02:10:00,260 --> 02:09:54,540
planet in the solar system with a moon

2533
02:10:05,120 --> 02:10:00,270
like ours and we are rolling along

2534
02:10:09,530 --> 02:10:05,130
behind a star that is perfectly suited

2535
02:10:13,910 --> 02:10:09,540
for long-term stability whereas most

2536
02:10:15,860 --> 02:10:13,920
white dwarfs are very unstable and I

2537
02:10:17,300 --> 02:10:15,870
have to ask you we talked about well

2538
02:10:19,880 --> 02:10:17,310
maybe there was an ancient civilization

2539
02:10:22,550 --> 02:10:19,890
here maybe the aliens came maybe it's

2540
02:10:27,140 --> 02:10:22,560
even bigger than that maybe someone

2541
02:10:32,330 --> 02:10:27,150
designed this as a life generating

2542
02:10:34,760 --> 02:10:32,340
machine so when we look into the eyes of

2543
02:10:36,740 --> 02:10:34,770
the visitors we might be looking into

2544
02:10:41,000 --> 02:10:36,750
the eyes of someone who is even older

2545
02:10:44,500 --> 02:10:41,010
than we could possibly imagine and has

2546
02:10:47,090 --> 02:10:44,510
done more than we can possibly believe

2547
02:10:48,230 --> 02:10:47,100
thank you so much Whitley what a great

2548
02:10:51,130 --> 02:10:48,240
conversation tonight

2549
02:10:55,060 --> 02:10:51,140
tell us about unknown country and

2550
02:10:56,680 --> 02:10:55,070
dreamland and how often you get the

2551
02:10:59,650 --> 02:10:56,690
new interviews up and where everybody

2552
02:11:02,200 --> 02:10:59,660
can go and check you out okay unknown

2553
02:11:05,830 --> 02:11:02,210
country first of all it's the site is

2554
02:11:08,200 --> 02:11:05,840
finally new and it's not being screwed

2555
02:11:12,070 --> 02:11:08,210
with all the time it's pretty secure

2556
02:11:14,620 --> 02:11:12,080
I hope and a dream land comes every week

2557
02:11:17,440 --> 02:11:14,630
on Fridays it comes up on Fridays and

2558
02:11:20,680 --> 02:11:17,450
you can listen to it on Alexa just say

2559
02:11:22,690 --> 02:11:20,690
Alexa play Dream Land it's on Apple

2560
02:11:27,370 --> 02:11:22,700
podcasts I guess you can therefore get

2561
02:11:30,520 --> 02:11:27,380
it on iTunes you can get it on iTunes

2562
02:11:33,100 --> 02:11:30,530
radio you can get it I think you play it

2563
02:11:34,090 --> 02:11:33,110
midnight on Saturday nights here that's

2564
02:11:37,990 --> 02:11:34,100
Ronnie on yours

2565
02:11:39,670 --> 02:11:38,000
okay thn yes yeah so it's around but and

2566
02:11:44,530 --> 02:11:39,680
and and it's also on my youtube channel

2567
02:11:46,840 --> 02:11:44,540
w streamer users dot user W streamer but

2568
02:11:49,690 --> 02:11:46,850
basically the place to go for is unknown

2569
02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:49,700
country comm and the sites got great

2570
02:11:54,970 --> 02:11:52,010
news it's really excellent news site

2571
02:12:00,220 --> 02:11:54,980
news of the edge but it's not none of

2572
02:12:01,720 --> 02:12:00,230
its fake it's all real and a huge

2573
02:12:03,370 --> 02:12:01,730
archive for people who are really

2574
02:12:05,380 --> 02:12:03,380
interested we're having some trouble

2575
02:12:07,600 --> 02:12:05,390
getting the whole archive up because

2576
02:12:09,100 --> 02:12:07,610
there was so much it was screwed with so

2577
02:12:11,080 --> 02:12:09,110
much over the years in the old website

2578
02:12:14,020 --> 02:12:11,090
but we're getting there and it's and

2579
02:12:16,390 --> 02:12:14,030
it's a marvelous big archive of all

2580
02:12:18,340 --> 02:12:16,400
kinds of fascinating stuff so it's worth

2581
02:12:21,750 --> 02:12:18,350
subscribing and worth going to and worth

2582
02:12:24,730 --> 02:12:21,760
having fun with Whitley and I'm there

2583
02:12:27,490 --> 02:12:24,740
thank you so much Whitley I look forward

2584
02:12:30,270 --> 02:12:27,500
to our next conversation keep doing what

2585
02:12:33,640 --> 02:12:30,280
you're doing you're just absolutely

2586
02:12:36,250 --> 02:12:33,650
unbelievable I just want to think I just

2587
02:12:40,300 --> 02:12:36,260
want to thank you for everything and and

2588
02:12:42,550 --> 02:12:40,310
not only our friendship but the fader

2589
02:12:45,430 --> 02:12:42,560
nots and our community here and of

2590
02:12:47,770 --> 02:12:45,440
course going back and what you have

2591
02:12:49,330 --> 02:12:47,780
meant to this community just thank you

2592
02:12:52,330 --> 02:12:49,340
so much keep doing what you're doing

2593
02:12:55,150 --> 02:12:52,340
Whitley well thanks Jimmy you do the

2594
02:12:58,900 --> 02:12:55,160
same thing and enjoy the rest of your

2595
02:13:00,910 --> 02:12:58,910
night off you too it's not your night

2596
02:13:03,430 --> 02:13:00,920
off but it will be soon you'll just I

2597
02:13:05,950 --> 02:13:03,440
think you showed what goes to 10:30 no

2598
02:13:08,310 --> 02:13:05,960
no I've got five minutes to dinner

2599
02:13:09,930 --> 02:13:08,320
Oh have a

2600
02:13:13,080 --> 02:13:09,940
dinner and thank you so much Whitley

2601
02:13:16,050 --> 02:13:13,090
good night Whitley Strieber unknown

2602
02:13:19,350 --> 02:13:16,060
country dot-com is right there the links

2603
02:13:22,800 --> 02:13:19,360
are at Jimmy Church radio.com go and

2604
02:13:24,900 --> 02:13:22,810
click and dreamland not only that but

2605
02:13:29,010 --> 02:13:24,910
Whitley's got all of his blogs there

2606
02:13:33,510 --> 02:13:29,020
he's got all of Annie stuff and a

2607
02:13:36,660 --> 02:13:33,520
decade's worth of archives of articles

2608
02:13:39,390 --> 02:13:36,670
and links and and blogs and videos and

2609
02:13:40,770 --> 02:13:39,400
interviews absolutely incredible unknown

2610
02:13:44,880 --> 02:13:40,780
country I've been going on in own

2611
02:13:46,550 --> 02:13:44,890
country I can't even think the first

2612
02:13:49,050 --> 02:13:46,560
time that I spent time over there

2613
02:13:51,680 --> 02:13:49,060
alright thank you so much Whitley great

2614
02:13:54,390 --> 02:13:51,690
conversation and there there might be a

2615
02:13:56,670 --> 02:13:54,400
Jimmy Church surprise coming up on

2616
02:13:58,620 --> 02:13:56,680
dreamland here in the next couple of

2617
02:14:01,530 --> 02:13:58,630
weeks I'm not gonna say anything but

2618
02:14:05,370 --> 02:14:01,540
just stay on top of unknown country and

2619
02:14:09,240 --> 02:14:05,380
go over and help support unknown country

2620
02:14:12,540 --> 02:14:09,250
calm with that we've got a very very

2621
02:14:16,080 --> 02:14:12,550
very busy week here on fade to black

2622
02:14:17,460 --> 02:14:16,090
tomorrow night is Nick Redfern he's got

2623
02:14:20,160 --> 02:14:17,470
two books that he has just released

2624
02:14:22,830 --> 02:14:20,170
nearly back-to-back that we're going to

2625
02:14:25,350 --> 02:14:22,840
be discussing tomorrow night one is the

2626
02:14:28,370 --> 02:14:25,360
alien book a guide to extraterrestrial

2627
02:14:31,620 --> 02:14:28,380
beings here on earth and the second book

2628
02:14:33,150 --> 02:14:31,630
flying saucers from the Kremlin that is

2629
02:14:35,760 --> 02:14:33,160
going to surprise you

2630
02:14:37,710 --> 02:14:35,770
so we're gonna go deep into both of

2631
02:14:41,130 --> 02:14:37,720
these books tomorrow night with Nick

2632
02:14:46,620 --> 02:14:41,140
Redfern on Wednesday it is Richard Dolan

2633
02:14:48,690 --> 02:14:46,630
now Richards livestream and information

2634
02:14:50,250 --> 02:14:48,700
that he has been releasing over the last

2635
02:14:53,460 --> 02:14:50,260
couple of months have been pretty

2636
02:14:56,730 --> 02:14:53,470
intense so we're gonna try to get caught

2637
02:14:58,590 --> 02:14:56,740
up on all of that on Wednesday night

2638
02:15:02,310 --> 02:14:58,600
with Richard he just got back from

2639
02:15:04,590 --> 02:15:02,320
Toronto from the conference that went

2640
02:15:06,000 --> 02:15:04,600
down up there and I heard it was just

2641
02:15:08,850 --> 02:15:06,010
amazing so we'll talk a little bit about

2642
02:15:10,940 --> 02:15:08,860
that too as well what that what went

2643
02:15:13,260 --> 02:15:10,950
down in Toronto this past weekend

2644
02:15:16,260 --> 02:15:13,270
Thursday night is another Fator night

2645
02:15:19,320 --> 02:15:16,270
with open lines all night long my point

2646
02:15:22,080 --> 02:15:19,330
to the show tonight before I get out of

2647
02:15:25,260 --> 02:15:22,090
here is that Friday

2648
02:15:27,680 --> 02:15:25,270
nothing happened we were all on pins and

2649
02:15:30,780 --> 02:15:27,690
needles I was very nervous about

2650
02:15:32,939 --> 02:15:30,790
something getting out of control when

2651
02:15:37,859 --> 02:15:32,949
you go to I'm talking about the storm

2652
02:15:41,010 --> 02:15:37,869
area 51 event the the the the phenomena

2653
02:15:42,750 --> 02:15:41,020
that is flash mobs and suddenly you see

2654
02:15:45,330 --> 02:15:42,760
five hundred there were a thousand

2655
02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:45,340
people break into dance into a town

2656
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square that ten seconds before we're

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just walking around acting normal that's

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the part that I thought may materialize

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out there north of Las Vegas I'm just

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glad that that didn't go down and they

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were ready they were ready but we got

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through it it's another week it's

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amazing

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tonight whitley strieber thank you so

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much unknown country dot-com tomorrow

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night Nick Redfern Wednesday night

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Richard Dolan Thursday night open lines

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all night long because it is fate or

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night fated blacks executive - oh I got

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to give a big shout-out to Suzie Q

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that's right Suzie cute Franky four

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fingers playing Canasta with me on the

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table it's pretty cool

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hey the blacks executive producers

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ritika Murray on shows produced by

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hilton jaipur in a denizen bob announces

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our Steve Cartagena Toa Marty Kovar what

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master is drew the geek music Doug

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Albrecht intro space boy space boy

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2019 by fade to black in the game

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changer network it cannot be rebroadcast

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download

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Peter used anywhere in the known

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universe without written permission from

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Fay the black of the GameChanger network

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I'm here Jimmy Church follow me on

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Twitter at Jane Church radio until

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tomorrow night right here Nick Redfern I

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want everybody to be safe go back leads